Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Remove accelerometer helper

2015-06-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: It's moved to the iio-sensor-proxy D-Bus service. --- .gitignore | 1 - Makefile.am| 15 --

[systemd-devel] an enhancement request/suggestion

2015-06-29 Thread lejeczek
dear devel could we please have journalctl -o cat not loose coloring the output feature? many thanks P ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

[systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my reaction is mixed, one thing however really pisses me off more than any other 5.6.1. Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my reaction is mixed, one thing however really pisses me off more than any other 5.6.1. Stricter

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my reaction is mixed, one

Re: [systemd-devel] SysVInit service migration to systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Jun 29, 2015 16:58, Lesley Kimmel ljkimme...@hotmail.com wrote: Jonathan; Thanks for the background and information. Since you clearly seem to have a grasp of systemd please humour me with a few more questions (some of them slightly ignorant): a) Why are PID bad? b) Why are lock files

Re: [systemd-devel] SysVInit service migration to systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
В Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:58:11 -0500 Lesley Kimmel ljkimme...@hotmail.com пишет: Jonathan; Thanks for the background and information. Since you clearly seem to have a grasp of systemd please humour me with a few more questions (some of them slightly ignorant): a) Why are PID bad? PID

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
В Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:21:44 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com пишет: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 15:08, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my reaction is mixed, one thing however really pisses me off more than any

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 04:17 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: No. systemd changed interpretation of well established configurations in incompatible way. There is no way to retain existing behavior. It is far from recommends - it is my way or highway. Not following which changed interpretation of well

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 17:54 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 17:01 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote:

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 03:01 PM, jon wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 16:01, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 19:17, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote: The systemd community only recommends what downstream consumers of it should do No. systemd changed interpretation of well established configurations in incompatible way. There is no way to retain existing behavior. It

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
you have a mountpoint in /etc/fstab and don't care if it don't get mounted at boot and instead data get written into the folder instead the correct filesystem? You are making assumptions ! no Not everyone uses linux in the same way. I have a number of servers that are RAID, but

[systemd-devel] getent hosts machine

2015-06-29 Thread Johannes Ernst
I was hoping that getent hosts containername would work, just like getent hosts hostname where hostname can be anything else in the hosts: field in nsswitch.conf. But no such luck. The containername does get resolved correctly in other cases, e.g. when pinging it. Not knowing

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:18 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 16:19, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: Who writes/maintains the code that parses nofail in /etc/fstab ? Who writes/maintains the typical system boot code (whatever has replaced rc.sysinit) ?

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 18:50, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: and why don't you just add nofail it's way shorter then write a ton of emails Yes, this I have in fact done. I have the right to complain though ! You don't have the right to do this on this mailing list though. Please do it

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 19:20, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: Reversing the logic by adding a mustexist fstab option and keeping the default behaviour would fix it. At this time, systemd has been working this way for 5y now. The behaviour it implements is also the right behaviour I am sure, and

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 16:19, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: Who writes/maintains the code that parses nofail in /etc/fstab ? Who writes/maintains the typical system boot code (whatever has replaced rc.sysinit) ? I suspect the answer to both is the systemd maintainers, in which

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 18:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 19:17, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote: The systemd community only recommends what downstream consumers of it should do No. systemd changed interpretation of well established configurations

Re: [systemd-devel] getent hosts machine

2015-06-29 Thread Johannes Ernst
On Jun 29, 2015, at 10:32, Johannes Ernst johannes.er...@gmail.com wrote: I was hoping that getent hosts containername would work, just like getent hosts hostname where hostname can be anything else in the hosts: field in nsswitch.conf. But no such luck. The containername

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 20:36, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: What for example is the technical reason why the nofail logic could not have been inverted ? I have not heard any technical argument that is compelling as to why this could not have worked the other way up and default behaviour not

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
A mount on /var is clearly essential, as area pretty much all mounts below /var, though there might be exceptions. Mounts in /srv are essential, too. Mounts which are often non-essential are external media, USB sticks and suchlike. However, those are probably usually handled via something

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 21:36 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 19:20, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: Reversing the logic by adding a mustexist fstab option and keeping the default behaviour would fix it. At this time, systemd has been

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 17:01 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 18:50 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 17:54 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 17:01 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote:

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 29.06.15 20:36, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 19:20, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: Reversing the logic by adding a mustexist fstab option and keeping the default behaviour would fix it.

Re: [systemd-devel] SysVInit service migration to systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 15:58 schrieb Lesley Kimmel: Jonathan; Thanks for the background and information. Since you clearly seem to have a grasp of systemd please humour me with a few more questions (some of them slightly ignorant): a) Why are PID bad? what are they good for when the supervisor

[systemd-devel] Errors/warnings when cloning systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Liam R. Howlett
Hello, Since git 2.3, there have been a number of new fsck options added which produce issues when I clone the repository git://anongit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd $ git fsck --full Checking object directories: 100% (256/256), done. warning in tag 2a440962bc639c674cef95f5dee6f184c5daf170:

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 22:16 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 21:36 schrieb jon: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 19:20, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: Reversing the logic by adding a mustexist fstab option and keeping the

Re: [systemd-devel] Question about ExecStartPost= and startup process

2015-06-29 Thread Francis Moreau
On 06/28/2015 07:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.06.2015 um 19:02 schrieb Francis Moreau: On 06/28/2015 01:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.06.2015 um 12:00 schrieb Francis Moreau: Hello, For services with Type=Forking, I'm wondering if systemd proceeds starting follow-up units

Re: [systemd-devel] Question about ExecStartPost= and startup process

2015-06-29 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Francis Moreau francis.m...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/28/2015 07:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.06.2015 um 19:02 schrieb Francis Moreau: On 06/28/2015 01:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.06.2015 um 12:00 schrieb Francis Moreau: Hello, For services with

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] loginctl: add rule for qemu's pci-bridge-seat

2015-06-29 Thread systemd github import bot
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[systemd-devel] [PATCH] loginctl: add rule for qemu's pci-bridge-seat

2015-06-29 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Signed-off-by: Gerd Hoffmann kra...@redhat.com --- src/login/71-seat.rules.in | 6 ++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) diff --git a/src/login/71-seat.rules.in b/src/login/71-seat.rules.in index ab7b66f..270da71 100644 --- a/src/login/71-seat.rules.in +++ b/src/login/71-seat.rules.in @@ -17,6

Re: [systemd-devel] Question about ExecStartPost= and startup process

2015-06-29 Thread Francis Moreau
On 06/28/2015 07:35 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: В Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:02:57 +0200 Francis Moreau francis.m...@gmail.com пишет: On 06/28/2015 01:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.06.2015 um 12:00 schrieb Francis Moreau: Hello, For services with Type=Forking, I'm wondering if systemd

Re: [systemd-devel] SysVInit service migration to systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Cristian Rodríguez
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Lesley Kimmel ljkimme...@hotmail.com wrote: Jonathan; Thanks for the background and information. Since you clearly seem to have a grasp of systemd please humour me with a few more questions (some of them slightly ignorant): a) Why are PID bad? Because they

Re: [systemd-devel] Errors/warnings when cloning systemd

2015-06-29 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Liam R. Howlett liam.howl...@windriver.com wrote: Hello, Since git 2.3, there have been a number of new fsck options added which produce issues when I clone the repository git://anongit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd $ git fsck --full Checking object

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:40 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 18:50, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: and why don't you just add nofail it's way shorter then write a ton of emails Yes, this I have in fact done. I have the right to complain though ! You don't

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread jon
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 20:50 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 29.06.15 19:20, jon (j...@jonshouse.co.uk) wrote: Reversing the logic by adding a mustexist fstab option and keeping the default behaviour would fix it. At this time, systemd has been working this way for 5y now. The