Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-23 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [2015-02-23 2:08 +]: >> the problem, zbigniew, is that the intended use of this "silent noop" >> feature - to make it *possible* to have an alternative PID1 - *hasn't >>

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:58:25PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> ...except that its introduction (usually --with-libsystemd) in those >> 100 (or so) packages has been done in a mutually-exc

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Cameron Norman wrote: >>> ...except that its introduction (usually --with-libsystemd) in those >>> 100 (or so) packages has been done in a mutually-exclusive, >>> hard-compile-time switch that *excludes* the possibility of dynamic >>> (runtime) decision-making. >

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 17.02.15 20:24, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton (l...@lkcl.net) wrote: > >> i note that there was announcement recently that the systemd team >> 'listens to users', so i am taking you at your word on t

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Tobias Hunger wrote: > Hi Luke, > > I am mostly a lurker on the systemd mailing list, so my opinion does > not carry weight in this community. > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote:> so i'm not goin

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > There is no such dependency in Debian either [1]. > Luke simply has no idea what he is talking about. > It would be great if Luke did some basic research and educate himself > and not spread such misinformation. michael, greg's approach

Re: [systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 08:24:37PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> so i'm not going to "protest" - i'm going to try a different approach. >> i'd like you to look at this list of debian packa

[systemd-devel] feature request: dlopen

2015-02-17 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
i don't know if you've seen this yet: http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/02/15/1959209/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system my name's luke leighton, i'm a software libre advocate, and the first major contribution that i made to software libre was to help bridge the impossible chas