Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2015 11:04 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 09.04.15 10:51, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: My above questions where directed directly at Lennart since you cannot know if Lennart's assumption which he bases his decisions on are premature,correct, wrong or

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2015 08:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Of course, this only works for GPT systems, i.e. modern systems, and modern systems probably wouldn't run ext234 anyway, so maybe it's not worth it... Actually neither xfs nor btrfs nor reiserfs appear to require an fsck still, it's only ext234

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/09/2015 08:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Of course, this only works for GPT systems, i.e. modern systems, and modern systems probably wouldn't run ext234 anyway, so maybe it's not worth it... Actually neither xfs nor btrfs nor

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2015 10:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.04.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/09/2015 08:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Of course, this only works for GPT systems, i.e. modern systems, and modern systems probably wouldn't run ext234 anyway, so maybe it's not

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Kay Sievers: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.04.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Kay Sievers: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: We generally follow the rule: we develop for the future, not

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 15.03.15 21:30, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote: So this used to to be possible for ext4, by setting mount count one below the mount limit. But mount limit now defaults to disabled, so this stopped being possible. Also, this suffers from the same problem that

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: We generally follow the rule: we develop for the future, not for the past. A file system like ext234 is clearly not the future, A filesystem like ext is being actively developed,maintained and new features being

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Kay Sievers: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: We generally follow the rule: we develop for the future, not for the past. A file system like ext234 is clearly not the future, A filesystem like ext is being actively

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.04.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Kay Sievers: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: We generally follow the rule: we develop for the future, not for the past. A file system

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-04-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 09.04.15 10:51, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: My above questions where directed directly at Lennart since you cannot know if Lennart's assumption which he bases his decisions on are premature,correct, wrong or misguided until you know what those assumptions are.

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-17 Thread Jan Janssen
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2015 um 19:58 Uhr Von: Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org An: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl Cc: Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de, systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Betreff: Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-17 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de wrote: Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2015 um 19:58 Uhr Nobody would write to the flash on kernel updates, we only possibly write to the ESP filesystem. The flash is not meant for such use cases, it is known to brick all sorts of

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de wrote: --- man/systemctl.xml | 26 shell-completion/bash/systemctl.in | 8 - shell-completion/zsh/_systemctl.in | 2 ++ src/fsck/fsck.c| 63

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 03:23:19PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de wrote: --- man/systemctl.xml | 26 shell-completion/bash/systemctl.in | 8 - shell-completion/zsh/_systemctl.in | 2 ++

[systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Jan Janssen
--- man/systemctl.xml | 26 shell-completion/bash/systemctl.in | 8 - shell-completion/zsh/_systemctl.in | 2 ++ src/fsck/fsck.c| 63 + src/shared/efivars.h | 21 +++--

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.03.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Kay Sievers: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 07:58:35PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: If the filesytem is too dumb to have that info in the superblock flags to store, to request a forced

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 07:58:35PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: If the filesytem is too dumb to have that info in the superblock flags to store,

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 03:23:19PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de wrote: --- man/systemctl.xml | 26

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 06:48:24PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 03:23:19PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Jan Janssen medhe...@web.de wrote: ---

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
В Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:48:10 +0100 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl пишет: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 06:48:24PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 03:23:19PM +0100, Kay Sievers

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 06:48:24PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: It is legacy and does not need new features. It worked in the past and will continue to work in the future, but it does not need new questionable

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Andrei Borzenkov arvidj...@gmail.com wrote: В Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:48:10 +0100 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl пишет: No, they are absolutely not. Changing the EFI flash comes with unpredictable risks, the flash is not meant to or designed for

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] fsck: Add support for EFI variable based fsck indication

2015-03-15 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 07:58:35PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: If the filesytem is too dumb to have that info in the superblock flags to store, to request a forced fsck, it is the problem of the file system to