On Fri, 26.10.12 18:39, Michael H. Warfield (m...@wittsend.com) wrote:
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
systemd's
Lennart,
I'm going to quickly top post here so forgive me for being rude.
Serge and I worked out some patches that seem to address the devtmpfs
issues nicely. Still got a few oddities to iron out but the big
fundamental one got fixed and is working. Many thanks for that.
The problem with
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield
m...@wittsend.com wrote:
[root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
BTW...
Ok fine... So I get logged in and I run this...
[root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
+0400; 1min 57s
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri,
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 13:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 08:20:51AM -0400, Michael H. Warfield
m...@wittsend.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:03 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield
m...@wittsend.com wrote:
[root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote:
Excuse me? I'm a kernel maintainer and a member of the Samba team. I
have dedicated almost 2 decades to promoting and developing several
dozen open source projects I will not enumerate here.
I don't know or
Odd, the oldest systemd version I have around is 38, and even that has a
working journal that catches stdout/stderr of services.
There is some problem with systemctl status and stderr/stdout:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55320
This leads to such behavior:
cat
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
weren't. Overly verbose, yes, repetitive, yes, agitated, etc, but not
intended as rude.
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 17:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
weren't. Overly verbose, yes,
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:59:21AM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:05 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield
m...@wittsend.com wrote:
[root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
network.service - LSB:
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
systemd's failure to provide comprehendable error messages to things
like errors in fstab
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote:
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
Am 27.10.2012 01:51, schrieb Kok:
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
+0400; 1min 57s ago
hmm, EXIT CODE failure. It exited with a non-zero status.
Process: 91 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/network start (code=exited,
status=209/STDOUT)
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
Almost every
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 20:06 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote:
It's still failing and it's giving me conflicting errors about
directory already exists and then file does not exist (on the
directory). This POS is driving me nuts with lack of intelligent
debugging information!
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
DON'T need
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
And journalctl gave
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
This should help.
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 22:05 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
I prefer judging myself. And at the moment I see you using words like:
- crap
- POS
--
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
I prefer
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
in a big
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