>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 01.04.2022 um 14:18
in
Nachricht :
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> time. Often for good reasons, quite often also for no reason but lack
> of testing. Things like that will happen. But I also think that
> Windows for example is probably better at not breaking their
> interfaces than Linux
On Fr, 01.04.22 13:54, Greg Kroah-Hartman (gre...@linuxfoundation.org) wrote:
> > While it is true that the syscall interface is kept reasonably stable,
> > almost everything else gets monkeyed with a lot, because a lot of
> > kernel developers only consider the syscall interface a program
> > int
On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 07:39:25AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:15 AM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:23:21AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:45 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:33:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:15 AM Greg Kroah-Hartman
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:23:21AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:45 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:33:50AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> > > > > > > Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.
On Do, 24.03.22 10:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
> > What I am trying to say is that it would actually help us a lot if
> > we'd not just be able to take croupv2 for granted but to take a
> > reasonably complete cgroupv2 for granted.
> >
> > Lennart
> >
> > --
> > Lennart Poettering,
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:30 PM Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> As far as Debian is concerned, we do have
>
> 4.9.x in old old stable aka stretch
> 4.19.x in old stable aka buster
> 5.10.x in stable aka bullseye
> 5.16.x in unstable/bookworm
>
> We do provide backports of current systemd versions for bul
As far as Debian is concerned, we do have
4.9.x in old old stable aka stretch
4.19.x in old stable aka buster
5.10.x in stable aka bullseye
5.16.x in unstable/bookworm
We do provide backports of current systemd versions for bullseye. I
also do care that users upgrading from bullseye to bookworm c
On Do, 24.03.22 14:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> > Yes, that does sound like worth exploring - our README doesn't document
> > it though, do we have a list of required controllers and when they were
> > introduced?
>
> In the README:
> Linux kernel >= 4.2 for unifi
On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 14:05 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:28:39AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mi, 23.03.22 11:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
> > >
> > > > At least accord
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 02:05:09PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:28:39AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mi, 23.03.22 11:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
> > >
> > > > At least
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:28:39AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mi, 23.03.22 11:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
> >
> > > At least according to our documentation it wouldn't save us much
> > > anyway, as the biggest le
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:23:21AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:45 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:33:50AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> > > > > > Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 08:12
> > > > > > in
> > > Nachricht :
> > > > On Wed, Mar 2
On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mi, 23.03.22 11:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
>
> > At least according to our documentation it wouldn't save us much
> > anyway, as the biggest leap is taking cgroupv2 for granted, which
> > requires 4.1, so it's inclu
On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:45 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:33:50AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> > > > > Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 08:12 in
> > Nachricht :
> > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:34:00PM +, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > > > FWIW, I think Greg was a bit
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 08:08:31AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:11:36PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >
> > CIP 4.4 is supposed to be maintained until 2027, which is awfully
> > long. The question is: is anyone putting new systemd on those
> > systems? If no, t
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:33:50AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> >>> Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 08:12 in
> Nachricht :
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:34:00PM +, Dave Howorth wrote:
> >> FWIW, I think Greg was a bit too outspoken calling long maintenance
> >> attempts 'crazy'; that may hav
On Mi, 23.03.22 11:28, Luca Boccassi (bl...@debian.org) wrote:
> At least according to our documentation it wouldn't save us much
> anyway, as the biggest leap is taking cgroupv2 for granted, which
> requires 4.1, so it's included regardless. Unless there's something
> undocumented that would make
>>> Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 08:12 in
Nachricht :
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:34:00PM +, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> FWIW, I think Greg was a bit too outspoken calling long maintenance
>> attempts 'crazy'; that may have intimidated some. I'm thinking of
>> moving distro to one that provide
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:34:00PM +, Dave Howorth wrote:
> FWIW, I think Greg was a bit too outspoken calling long maintenance
> attempts 'crazy'; that may have intimidated some. I'm thinking of
> moving distro to one that provides longer term maintenance than my
> present one. Although CIP is
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:11:36PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
> CIP 4.4 is supposed to be maintained until 2027, which is awfully
> long. The question is: is anyone putting new systemd on those
> systems? If no, then they're not relevant.
Why not email them and ask?
thanks,
gr
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:58:22PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 12:38 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:28:29AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 11:59 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05A
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:26:15 +0100
Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am Mi., 23. März 2022 um 22:11 Uhr schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> :
>
> > Or in other words: I'd prefer for such people to speak up for
> > themselves, rather than us trying to figure out what somebody else
> > *might* be planning t
Am Mi., 23. März 2022 um 22:11 Uhr schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
:
> Or in other words: I'd prefer for such people to speak up for
> themselves, rather than us trying to figure out what somebody else
> *might* be planning to do.
That's laudable but keep in mind that users typically don't fo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:58:22PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 12:38 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:28:29AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 11:59 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05A
On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 12:38 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:28:29AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 11:59 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:17:36AM +010
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:28:29AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 11:59 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:17:36AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > > On We
On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 11:59 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:17:36AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:07:48AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 20
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:26:05AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:17:36AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:07:48AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 05:27:07PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi a
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:17:36AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:07:48AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 05:27:07PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > we are considering dropping upstream support for kernel
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:07:48AM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 05:27:07PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > we are considering dropping upstream support for kernel versions < 4.4.
> > Would this be a problem for anyone? (*).
>
> Given that upstream
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 05:27:07PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> we are considering dropping upstream support for kernel versions < 4.4.
> Would this be a problem for anyone? (*).
Given that upstream (i.e. kernel.org) has dropped support for kernel
4.4, why not just move
Hi all,
we are considering dropping upstream support for kernel versions < 4.4.
Would this be a problem for anyone? (*).
Zbyszek
(*) If you answer "yes", please substantiate why you are running new
systemd with such old kernels.
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