Lennart,
I'm going to quickly top post here so forgive me for being rude.
Serge and I worked out some patches that seem to address the devtmpfs
issues nicely. Still got a few oddities to iron out but the big
fundamental one got fixed and is working. Many thanks for that.
The problem with error
On Fri, 26.10.12 18:39, Michael H. Warfield (m...@wittsend.com) wrote:
> My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
> systemd's f
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:59:21AM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:05 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> > wrote:
> > > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > > network.service - LSB: Bring
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 17:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
> > Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
> > weren't. Overly verbose,
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:05 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> wrote:
> > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> > Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> >
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
> Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
> weren't. Overly verbose, yes, repetitive, yes, agitated, etc, but not
> intended as rud
> Odd, the oldest systemd version I have around is 38, and even that has a
> working journal that catches stdout/stderr of services.
There is some problem with systemctl status and stderr/stdout:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55320
This leads to such behavior:
> cat ~/.config/syst
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> Excuse me? I'm a kernel maintainer and a member of the Samba team. I
> have dedicated almost 2 decades to promoting and developing several
> dozen open source projects I will not enumerate here.
I don't know or particularly care who
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 08:20:51AM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:03 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> > wrote:
> > > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > > network.service - LSB: B
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 13:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > >> sent too quickly..
> > >>
>
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> sent too quickly..
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oc
> Ok fine... So I get logged in and I run this...
> [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
> +0400; 1min
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> sent too quickly..
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>> > > BTW... No
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
wrote:
> [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> sent too quickly..
>
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > > BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> >
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> > in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
>
> I
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
I prefer judging myself. And at the moment I see you using words like:
- crap
- POS
--
R
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 22:05 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > >
> > >> This should help. Obviously, j
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> >
> >> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
> >
> > And journalctl gave me ja
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
>
>> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
>
> And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
> DON'T need yet another o
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> It's still failing and it's giving me conflicting errors about
> "directory already exists" and then "file does not exist" (on the
> directory). This POS is driving me nuts with lack of intelligent
> debugging information!
Throwing ta
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
DON'T need yet another obscure command to dig out errors that should
have been presented in th
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 20:06 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> > > obfuscating errors in
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> > obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> > Almost every upgrade pr
Am 27.10.2012 01:51, schrieb Kok:
>> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
>> +0400; 1min 57s ago
>
> hmm, EXIT CODE failure. It exited with a non-zero status.
>
>> Process: 91 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/network start (code=exited,
>> status=209
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
> systemd's failure to p
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