Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Lucas De Marchi
Hi William, On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: All, on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo? Lucas De Marchi ___

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Lucas, On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:48:50AM -0300, Lucas De Marchi wrote: Hi William, On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: All, on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not Don't you have the ability to split the built

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
Hello Lucas, On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote: on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo? I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us source-based distros (Exherbo in my

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Koen Kooi
Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven: Hello Lucas, On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote: on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo? I can confirm and

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote: On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote: on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo? I can confirm and emphasize what

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Malte Starostik
Am Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012, 13:40:57 schrieb Koen Kooi: Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven: I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us source-based distros I just have to ask: what are non-source based distros based on? Pixie

[systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
Hello all! I want to play a little with systemd, but first I want to use it in a sandbox user, thus I start it (as non-root) from a console with systemd --log-level=info --default-standard-output=inherit --default-standard-error=inherit Unfortunately I'm unable to figure it out

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:    Hello all!    I want to play a little with systemd, but first I want to use it in a sandbox user, thus I start it (as non-root) from a console with      systemd --log-level=info

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:    Hello all!    I want to play a little with systemd, but first I want to use it in a sandbox user, thus I start it (as

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:47PM +0300, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: Hello all! I want to play a little with systemd, but first I want to use it in a sandbox user, thus I start it (as non-root) from a console with I'd rather suggest installing Fedora or other systemd-enabled

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:    Hello all!    I want to play

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Malte Starostik li...@malte.homeip.net wrote: Am Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012, 13:40:57 schrieb Koen Kooi: Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven: I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us source-based

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:54:36AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: 3. Don't provide split udev/systemd packages and stay on udev-182 (or whatever the version was before the split). Now, I've been involved with a source-based distro myself for almost 12 years, and, at one point you just have to

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:54:36AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: 3. Don't provide split udev/systemd packages and stay on udev-182 (or whatever the version was before the split). Now, I've been involved with a

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Ciprian

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
Hello Auke, On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: or pick mdev Let me quote someone about mdev: Haha, mdev, yeah right. Have fun with that... greg k-h (Source: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/73627) Nothing prevents you from staying on udev-182 for a few

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote: Hello Auke, On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: or pick mdev Let me quote someone about mdev: Haha, mdev, yeah right. Have fun with that... greg k-h (Source:

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] analyze: Python 3 compatibility

2012-06-14 Thread Shawn Landden
Plot verb doesn't currently work b/c Cairo bug sending to stdout in python 3. --- src/analyze/systemd-analyze | 16 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) diff --git a/src/analyze/systemd-analyze b/src/analyze/systemd-analyze index 5d451c3..76eceee 100755 ---

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 02:05:01PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: That is exactly my point. There are people in these distros who see systemd as a kitchen sink they don't want. However, udev is more like coreutils,

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 02:38:08PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote: Hello Auke, On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: or pick mdev Let me quote someone about mdev: Haha, mdev, yeah right.

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread William Hubbs
Hello Auke, I will answer your concerns as best as I can below. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: 1) Timing. systemd+udevd just got merged. We had a huge build system change. Let's not change it drastically again entirely now. From the point of view of a source

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote:    As such I don't see what I'm doing wrong... lots, not helped by the fact that you're not using systemd --system as pid=1. Please don't get me wrong, but I think that if systemd makes me either use it to

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Auke, I will answer your concerns as best as I can below. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: 1) Timing. systemd+udevd just got merged.  We had a huge build system change. Let's not

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote:    As such I don't see what I'm doing wrong... lots, not helped by the fact that you're not using systemd --system as

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Auke, I will answer your concerns as best as I can below. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: 1)

Re: [systemd-devel] setting up to allow separate udev and systemd builds

2012-06-14 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
Hello Auke, On 15.06.2012 06:26, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: This is a design problem in ALL source based distro's (including the one I worked on for years) and can't be fixed by upstream. Source distro's should really work on doing a proper `make DESTDIR= install` At least Gentoo and Exherbo

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: I think you really don't want to try and run a systemd --user (highly experimental!) without a systemd --system (stable),

Re: [systemd-devel] How to interact with `systemd --user`?

2012-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Kok, Auke-jan H auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: I think you really don't want to try