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On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 13:31 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:07 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:19 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:40:36AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26
I have two target files that I use.
prod.target is used to start up all the production services.
When I use systemctl start prod.target it blocks until all the
services are running.
I also have prod-upgrade.target that is used to stop service
via Conflicts=. When I use systemctl start
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:07 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:19 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:40:36AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26 AM Dan Nicholson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:19 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:40:36AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26 AM Dan Nicholson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Note that it means Fedora
Am Mi., 27. Apr. 2022 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Michael Biebl :
>
> Am Mi., 27. Apr. 2022 um 17:16 Uhr schrieb Dan Nicholson :
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:01 AM Michael Biebl wrote:
> > >
> > > Slightly related
> > > https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/138
> > >
On Mi, 27.04.22 11:40, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> But I also strongly believe that it was a mistake to merge gummiboot
> into the systemd source tree because it creates all kinds of problems
> for distro maintenance, as I've already said earlier.
That's very vague. I still don#t
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:40:36AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26 AM Dan Nicholson wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that it means Fedora CI, pull requests from contributors, and
> > > releng auto-rebuilds will no longer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:59 AM Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:48 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:46 AM Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:26 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:48:04AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:46 AM Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:26 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at
On Mi, 27.04.22 11:10, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > Rebooting from the DE has advantages: nice UI without much work, l10n,
> > accessibility, help, integration with normal auth mechanisms (e.g. polkit
> > auth for non-default boot entries or firmware setup), no need to
> > fiddle
Am Mi., 27. Apr. 2022 um 17:16 Uhr schrieb Dan Nicholson :
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:01 AM Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> > Slightly related
> > https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/138
> > [sd-boot split]
> >
On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:48 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:46 AM Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:26 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:49 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26:14AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > On Wed,
On Mi, 27.04.22 11:26, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > E.g. the biggest development in how the boot looks in recent years
> > in Fedora has been hiding on the boot menus and boot messages by
> > default. I.e. the _design_ is that you start with the logo of the
> > manufacturer which is
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26:14AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41 AM Lennart Poettering
> > > wrote:
> > > It is not very
Hello Vašek.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:45:34AM +0200, Vašek Šraier
wrote:
> TL;DR: I want to start transient system services from another system
> service via DBus. All services should have as little privileges as
> possible, definitely not root. How can I do that securely?
PolicyKit popped
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:46 AM Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:26 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41
On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 11:26 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41 AM Lennart Poettering
> > > > > Realistically, I think if we want to
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:26 AM Dan Nicholson wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> >
> > Note that it means Fedora CI, pull requests from contributors, and
> > releng auto-rebuilds will no longer work. Maintainers basically
> > sign-on to do all of those things
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41 AM Lennart Poettering
> > wrote:
> > It is not very friendly when you're in a failure scenario or have to
> > deal with boot stuff.
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> Note that it means Fedora CI, pull requests from contributors, and
> releng auto-rebuilds will no longer work. Maintainers basically
> sign-on to do all of those things manually and have to be responsive
> for doing it. You will get FTBFS
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:01 AM Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> Slightly related
> https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/138
> [sd-boot split]
> https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/132
> [Draft: Prepare for EFI signing]
Oh, nice. We've been signing
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 09:31:10AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41 AM Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> It is not very friendly when you're in a failure scenario or have to
> deal with boot stuff.
Well, if you have a boot failure, then a text-based interface is better
than a
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 08:55:55AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:47 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:12:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > Hey all,
Slightly related
https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/138
[sd-boot split]
https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/merge_requests/132
[Draft: Prepare for EFI signing]
Am Mi., 27. Apr. 2022 um 16:13 Uhr schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 08:55:55AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:47 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:12:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> >
> > Hi Neal,
> >
> > thank you for starting the discussion. I think it'd be
On Mi, 27.04.22 09:44, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > To be frank, it seems to not actually bring much to the table that
> > might be interesting from a modern Linux userspace perspective,
> > i.e. doesn't implement boot laoder spec or boot loader interface, no
> > boot counting, no
On Mi, 27.04.22 09:31, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > Some of you might know about the recent discussion in Fedora about
> > > dropping BIOS support[1][2]. While the end result for now is that
> > > we're not dropping it[3], several side discussions involved enabling
> > >
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:31 AM Lennart Poettering
wrote:
>
> On Mi, 27.04.22 08:55, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > > You mentioned that a few times, and we (at least Lennnart and I) have
> > > asked for details. If there's something important missing from sd-boot,
> > > we would
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:41 AM Lennart Poettering
wrote:
>
> On Di, 26.04.22 19:12, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Some of you might know about the recent discussion in Fedora about
> > dropping BIOS support[1][2]. While the end result for now is that
> > we're not
On Mi, 27.04.22 08:55, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > You mentioned that a few times, and we (at least Lennnart and I) have
> > asked for details. If there's something important missing from sd-boot,
> > we would like to know.
>
> I think this is probably a distraction from this
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 8:55 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:47 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:12:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> >
> > Hi Neal,
> >
> > thank you for starting the discussion. I think it'd be good to
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:47 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:12:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Hey all,
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> thank you for starting the discussion. I think it'd be good to figure
> out what are the high-level options we have as a community…
>
>
On Di, 26.04.22 19:12, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Some of you might know about the recent discussion in Fedora about
> dropping BIOS support[1][2]. While the end result for now is that
> we're not dropping it[3], several side discussions involved enabling
> systemd-boot
On Mi, 27.04.22 09:09, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de) wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Having written an RFC 3164 compatible syslog daemon, I noticed that systemd
> created syslog messages with non-ASCII characters.
> The problem is that a remote syslogd can hardly guess the correct character
>
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:12:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> Hey all,
Hi Neal,
thank you for starting the discussion. I think it'd be good to figure
out what are the high-level options we have as a community…
> Some of you might know about the recent discussion in Fedora about
> dropping BIOS
On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 19:12 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Some of you might know about the recent discussion in Fedora about
> dropping BIOS support[1][2]. While the end result for now is that
> we're not dropping it[3], several side discussions involved enabling
> systemd-boot as an
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:09 AM Ulrich Windl <
ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Having written an RFC 3164 compatible syslog daemon, I noticed that systemd
> created syslog messages with non-ASCII characters.
> The problem is that a remote syslogd can hardly guess the correct
Hi!
Having written an RFC 3164 compatible syslog daemon, I noticed that systemd
created syslog messages with non-ASCII characters.
The problem is that a remote syslogd can hardly guess the correct character
set (I'm using rsyslog to forward local messages to a remote server).
Example of such
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