[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Dropping split-usr/unmerged-usr support

2022-04-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wol schrieb am 08.04.2022 um 00:02 in Nachricht : > On 07/04/2022 17:47, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> So, my guess would be that the people who dislike merged-/usr are also >>> the ones who dislike systemd, no? i.e. do they really matter if we are >>> talking about what to support in systemd?

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] all numeric usernames not allowed in systemd (version 245 onward)

2022-04-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Nikhil Kshirsagar schrieb am 07.04.2022 um 13:07 in Nachricht : > Hello, > > I gather from the discussion on > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15141 that all numeric usernames > would no longer be supported on servers running systemd version 245 onward. > This was also reiterated

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Dropping split‑usr/unmerged‑usr support

2022-04-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
> You guys are making your life hell, because you are afraid if making > it difficult... Maybe just add a manual page systemd-filesystem-concepts ;-) Regards, Ulrich Windl > > Lennart > > ‑‑ > Lennart Poettering, Berlin

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Dropping split-usr/unmerged-usr support

2022-04-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
when there was no users and permissions, so they had no concept of protection at all. Now I think Windows is really not an example how to do things right. Regards, Ulrich Windl

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Dropping split-usr/unmerged-usr support

2022-04-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wols Lists schrieb am 06.04.2022 um 21:41 in Nachricht : > On 06/04/2022 10:34, Luca Boccassi wrote: >>> Symlinking /sbin or /usr/sbin binaries to /usr is also a bad concept >>> IMHO. >>> >>> It seems systemd is the new Microsoft ("We know what is good for you; >>> just accept it!");-) > >

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Dropping split-usr/unmerged-usr support

2022-04-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mike Gilbert schrieb am 06.04.2022 um 17:24 in >>> Nachricht : > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:07 PM Luca Boccassi wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> As part of our spring cleaning effort, we are considering when to drop >> support for split/unmerged-usr filesystem layouts. >> >> A build-time warning was

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Dropping split-usr/unmerged-usr support

2022-04-06 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Luca Boccassi schrieb am 05.04.2022 um 22:07 in Nachricht <05cf10d04274dcbff07fed88e98dca2eebb24b7d.ca...@gmail.com>: > Hi, > > As part of our spring cleaning effort, we are considering when to drop > support for split/unmerged-usr filesystem layouts. > > A build-time warning was added last

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: journalctl -b -g logrotate

2022-04-05 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 05.04.2022 um 11:08 in Nachricht : > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:36 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I have two questions for "journalctl -b -g logrotate": >>

[systemd-devel] Q: journalctl -b -g logrotate

2022-04-05 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I have two questions for "journalctl -b -g logrotate": 1) I'm unsure what the exact rules for matching a "-g expression" are: Some kernel messages are matched, others not. 2) When the -b restricts messages to the current boot, why is output shown like this?: # journalctl -b -g logrotate --

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] version bump of minimal kernel version supported by systemd?

2022-04-04 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 01.04.2022 um 14:18 in Nachricht : ... > time. Often for good reasons, quite often also for no reason but lack > of testing. Things like that will happen. But I also think that > Windows for example is probably better at not breaking their > interfaces than Linux

[systemd-devel] Q: Not "Reloading"?

2022-04-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I wonder: Seeing these messages (really nothing in between) I wonder whether such massive systemd reloading can be avoided. Of course no program knows what the other did or does, but still these messages look undesirable: Apr 01 08:09:35 h19 systemd[1]: Reloading. Apr 01 08:09:36 h19

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: version bump of minimal kernel version supported by systemd?

2022-03-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 14:22 in Nachricht : > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 02:05:09PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:28:39AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote: >> > On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> > > On Mi, 23.03.22

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] version bump of minimal kernel version supported by systemd?

2022-03-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Greg KH schrieb am 24.03.2022 um 08:12 in Nachricht : > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:34:00PM +, Dave Howorth wrote: >> FWIW, I think Greg was a bit too outspoken calling long maintenance >> attempts 'crazy'; that may have intimidated some. I'm thinking of >> moving distro to one that

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: version bump of minimal kernel version supported by systemd?

2022-03-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Dave Howorth schrieb am 23.03.2022 um 23:34 in Nachricht <20220323223400.569e0...@acer-suse.lan>: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:26:15 +0100 > Michael Biebl wrote: >> Am Mi., 23. März 2022 um 22:11 Uhr schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> : >> >> > Or in other words: I'd prefer for such people

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: /etc/os-release but for images

2022-03-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Davide Bettio schrieb am 23.03.2022 um 17:14 in Nachricht : > Hello, > > Il giorno mer 23 mar 2022 alle ore 13:56 Lennart Poettering < > lenn...@poettering.net> ha scritto: > >> > Also sadly IMAGE_VERSION doesn't allow + which is used from semver for >> > build metadata (such as

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: version bump of minimal kernel version supported by systemd?

2022-03-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
I wonder: Why not providing some test suite instead: If the test suite succeeds, systemd might work; if it doesn't, manual steps are needed. My guess is that most people will quit trying once manual steps are needed. In addition the configure procedure could include a "support window" (oldest

[systemd-devel] Q: Relying on exit code of journalctl -g ....

2022-03-23 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! It's not documented, but "journalctl -g ..." seems to exit with success when the pattern was found, and with 1 when it was not. Can I rely on that? The other thing is when grepping across reboots, the "-- Reboot --" is always output, even if it does not match the pattern. Is that a bug or

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: Difference between AssertPathExists and ConditionPathExists?

2022-03-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Andrei Borzenkov schrieb am 17.03.2022 um 12:08 in Nachricht : > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:32 PM Ulrich Windl > wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> When reading the manual page systemd.unit(5), I'm not quite sure what the > difference betwee

[systemd-devel] Q: Difference between AssertPathExists and ConditionPathExists?

2022-03-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! When reading the manual page systemd.unit(5), I'm not quite sure what the difference between AssertPathExists and ConditionPathExists is: (Condition) If the specified absolute path name does not exist, the condition will fail. Vs. (Assert) However, unlike the conditions settings, any

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] PrivateNetwork=yes is memory costly

2022-03-09 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 09.03.2022 um 16:18 in Nachricht : > On Mo, 07.03.22 15:10, Christopher Wong (christopher.w...@axis.com) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> It seems that PrivateNetwork=yes is a memory consuming >> directive. The kernel seems to allocate quite an amount of memory >> for

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: [systemd‑devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: timer "OnBootSec=15m" not triggering

2022-03-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 07.03.2022 um 14:08 in Nachricht : > On Mo, 07.03.22 12:24, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni‑regensburg.de) wrote: > >> Thanks for that. The amazing things are that "systemd.analyze verify" finds > no >> prob

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: timer "OnBootSec=15m" not triggering

2022-03-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 07.03.2022 um 10:39 in Nachricht : > On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I wrote some services that should run when booting and some time after >

[systemd-devel] timer "OnBootSec=15m" not triggering

2022-03-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I wrote some services that should run when booting and some time after booting. As it seems the service to run during boot works, but the timer-triggered one does not. I have no idea why. Here are the details: # systemctl status prevent-fencing-loop.service ● prevent-fencing-loop.service -

[systemd-devel] Incomplete call stack logged by systemd-coredump

2022-03-04 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! In SLES15 SP3 I have found some interesting fact about systemd-coredump: A process dumped core for strange reasons (investigated by support), and the journal had logged: Mar 04 07:20:02 h19 systemd-coredump[27340]: Process 27338 (sh) of user 0 dumped core.

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] Q: journalctl ‑g

2022-03-04 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Ulrich Windl" schrieb am 04.03.2022 um 08:07 in Nachricht <6221bac102a100048...@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>: > Hi! > > In SLES15 SP3 (systemd‑246.16‑7.33.1.x86_64) I have this effect, wondering > whether it is a bug or a feature: > When using

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] How to find out the processes systemd‑shutdown is waiting for?

2022-03-03 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 02.03.2022 um 17:22 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 02.03.22 13:02, Arian van Putten (arian.vanput...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> I've seen this a lot with docker/containerd. It seems as if for some reason >> systemd doesn't wait for their cgroups to cleaned up on shutdown.

[systemd-devel] Q: journalctl -g

2022-03-03 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! In SLES15 SP3 (systemd-246.16-7.33.1.x86_64) I have this effect, wondering whether it is a bug or a feature: When using "journalctl -b -g raid" I see that _ome_ matches are highlighted in red, but others aren't. For example: Mar 01 01:37:09 h16 kernel: mega*raid*_sas :c1:00.0: BAR:0x1

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Journald: Re-use /var/log/journal hash entry after system upgrade

2022-03-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 01.03.2022 um 16:52 in Nachricht : > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:39 PM eric.zalu...@vertiv.com < > eric.zalu...@vertiv.com> wrote: > >> [ System Environment ] >> On an embedded x86-64 Linux system, I’m running systemd v241. I have >> Systemd-Journald

[systemd-devel] Restarting "onshot" services

2022-02-24 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! It seems "oneshot" services are not retried when they fail. I read systemd.service, but the manual does not explain that "oneshot" in no candidate for RestartSec or Restart. Is that intentional? (systemd 228 of SLES12 SP5) Regards, Ulrich

[systemd-devel] Q: Wanting a target

2022-02-23 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I think there was a recent discussion saying that no unit should Want= or Require= a target, but only use them for ordering. I have basically three questions: 1) Is the statement above correct? 2) When is a target displayed as "started" by sysctemctl status then? 3: Which of the following

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Q: Perform action for reboots happen too frequently?

2022-02-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Silvio Knizek schrieb am 18.02.2022 um 23:24 in Nachricht : > Am Freitag, dem 18.02.2022 um 09:52 +0100 schrieb Ulrich Windl: >> > > >> Thanks Silvio! >> >> That looks like I was after. But admitted: I had expected that >> systemd could >>

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Q: Perform action for reboots happen too frequently?

2022-02-18 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Silvio Knizek schrieb am 18.02.2022 um 09:37 in Nachricht <7d547aa30624f2dc8d22ea7f84507fa1d8e9c678.ca...@gmx.net>: > Am Donnerstag, dem 17.02.2022 um 10:50 +0100 schrieb Ulrich Windl: >> > > > Lennart Poettering schrieb am >> > > > 16.

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: [systemd‑devel] [EXT] Proposal to extend os‑release/machine‑info with field PREFER_HARDENED_CONFIG

2022-02-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
t; (where name is one of the predefined policies). And most of all, selecting a different policy does not make it a different OS. Regards, Ulrich Windl > > It's 2022 ‑ nobody should be doing this by hand.

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] [RFC] systemd‑resolved: Send d‑bus signal after DNS resolution

2022-02-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 16.02.2022 um 18:59 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 16.02.22 12:13, Dave Howorth (syst...@howorth.org.uk) wrote: > >> > This could be used by applications for auditing/logging services >> > downstream of the resolver, or to update the firewall on the system. >> >>

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Q: Perform action for reboots happen too frequently?

2022-02-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 16.02.2022 um 18:17 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 16.02.22 14:09, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni‑regensburg.de) wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I wonder: Is it possible with systemd to detect multiple reboots >> within a specific time i

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Proposal to extend os-release/machine-info with field PREFER_HARDENED_CONFIG

2022-02-17 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Stefan Schröder schrieb am 16.02.2022 um 18:11 in Nachricht <1487454823.169440.1645031460...@webmail.strato.com>: ... > There are reasons why the (...) decide not to ship > with 'hardened' defaults. ... As said before, in most cases "comfortable" and "secure" contradict. For example: It's

[systemd-devel] Q: Perform action for reboots happen too frequently?

2022-02-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I wonder: Is it possible with systemd to detect multiple reboots within a specific time interval, and react, like executing some systemctl command (that is expected to "improve" things)? With "reboots" I'm mainly thinking of unexpected boots, not so much the "shutdown -r" commands, but

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] How to sychronize service START with STOP of mount units?

2022-02-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Manuel Wagesreither" schrieb am 16.02.2022 um 13:28 in Nachricht : > Hi all, > > We'd like to implement a factory reset for an embedded device we are working > on. > > I think the cleanest approach would be a factory‑reset.target which > WANTS/REQUIRES reboot.target + a

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Proposal to extend os-release/machine-info with field PREFER_HARDENED_CONFIG

2022-02-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Stefan Schröder schrieb am 15.02.2022 um 19:05 in Nachricht <531595111.79330.1644948301...@webmail.strato.com>: > Situation: > > Many packages in a distribution ship with a default configuration that is > not considered 'secure'. Probably because "secure" isn't considered to be

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Passive vs Active targets

2022-02-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Kenneth Porter schrieb am 15.02.2022 um 18:14 in Nachricht : > Given that interfaces can come and go, does network.target imply that > all possible interfaces are up? Or does it just mean that the > infrastructure is there for DHCP-capable interfaces to begin searching > for an address? I

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Service activation

2022-02-14 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Michael Biebl schrieb am 14.02.2022 um 09:58 in Nachricht : > Am Mo., 14. Feb. 2022 um 09:42 Uhr schrieb Wols Lists > : >> I doubt it. Documentation is excellent at reminding you what you already >> knew. It's piss poor at getting a newbie started. > > The existing documentation of systemd

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Service activation

2022-02-14 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wols Lists schrieb am 14.02.2022 um 09:42 in Nachricht <3320ed4b-2a0c-d7e6-a8a1-b7c83b5f4...@youngman.org.uk>: > On 14/02/2022 08:27, Ulrich Windl wrote: >>> And once I've got all that sorted, I'm betting I'm going to have grief >>> getting it to work pr

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Service activation

2022-02-14 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wol schrieb am 13.02.2022 um 01:03 in Nachricht <129b4e49-d22d-7efb-7fc6-a44e5faa2...@youngman.org.uk>: > More fun getting things to work ... :-) > > So I've got a service, scarletdme.service, which fires up my db backend > for running interactively. However, I also need a socket service

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Run "ipmitool power cycle" after lib/systemd/system‑shutdown scripts

2022-02-11 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Adam Nielsen schrieb am 11.02.2022 um 12:27 in Nachricht <20220211212751.14db2...@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net>: >> Then these remote management cards should allow to be restarted >> separately. The BMC I had to deal with allow that. > > They do under normal circumstances, but for example I

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Run "ipmitool power cycle" after lib/systemd/system-shutdown scripts

2022-02-11 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Paul Menzel schrieb am 11.02.2022 um 11:39 in Nachricht : > Dear Adam, > > > First, just a note (for myself), `ipmitool power` is a shortcut for > `ipmitool chassis power`. > > > Am 11.02.22 um 10:54 schrieb Adam Nielsen: After flashing the firmware of some pcie card I need to power

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: Re: [EXT] Re: Run "ipmitool power cycle" after lib/systemd/system-shutdown scripts

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 14:15 in Nachricht : > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:11 PM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> >>> Etienne Champetier schrieb am >> 10.02.2022 um >> 12:47 in Nachricht &g

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: [EXT] Re: Run "ipmitool power cycle" after lib/systemd/system-shutdown scripts

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Etienne Champetier schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 12:47 in Nachricht : > Le jeu. 10 févr. 2022 à 11:49, Ulrich Windl > a écrit : >> >> >>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 11:31 >> in >> Nachricht : >> > On Mi, 09.02.2

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Run "ipmitool power cycle" after lib/systemd/system-shutdown scripts

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 11:31 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 09.02.22 22:05, Etienne Champetier (champetier.etie...@gmail.com) > wrote: > >> Hello systemd hackers, >> >> After flashing the firmware of some pcie card I need to power cycle >> the server to finish the flashing

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Help understanding "notify" (SLES15 SP3 restarting smartd)

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Ulrich Windl schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 11:16 in Nachricht <6204E61B.426 : 161 : 60728>: >>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 10:34 in > Nachricht > : > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:21 AM Ulrich Windl < > > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-rege

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Help understanding "notify" (SLES15 SP3 restarting smartd)

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 10.02.2022 um 10:34 in Nachricht : > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:21 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I have a support case for SLES15 SP3 (systemd-246.16-7.33.1.x86_64) where &g

[systemd-devel] Help understanding "notify" (SLES15 SP3 restarting smartd)

2022-02-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I have a support case for SLES15 SP3 (systemd-246.16-7.33.1.x86_64) where smartd is restarted for no obvious reason. Support says everything is fine, but I disagree. Specifically smartd.service uses: [Service] Type=notify EnvironmentFile=-/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd_opts

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Need a systemd unit example that checks /etc/fstab for modification and sends a text message

2022-02-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Tony Rodriguez schrieb am 09.02.2022 um 02:27 in Nachricht : > From my understanding, it is frowned by systemd developers to > "automatically" reload systemd via "systemctl daemon-reload" when > /etc/fstab is modified. Guessing this is why such functionality hasn't > already been

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] Why is using fstab the preferred approach according to systemd.mount man page?

2022-02-07 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Thomas HUMMEL schrieb am 07.02.2022 um 18:36 in Nachricht <3aa03772-1981-eea4-ecd2-c50b9c0d0...@pasteur.fr>: > > On 10/01/2022 21:50, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> Pretty much. There isn't any big benefit to using mount units (since the >> fstab syntax supports all the important

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Udevd and dev file creation

2022-01-31 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Nishant Nayan schrieb am 30.01.2022 um 04:45 >>> in Nachricht : > Hi, > Does creating a dev file in /dev creates a uevent? Does a dev file > creation considered as a "device attached" to the machine? I'd guess "Most likely not" as you can create /dev files without actually having the

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: systemd killing processes on monitor wakeup?

2022-01-30 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Raman Gupta schrieb am 29.01.2022 um 04:28 in >>> Nachricht : >> >> Try to set the systemd user instance's log level to 'debug'; I'm guessing >> it's not that systemd kills processes directly but that something triggers >> a 'systemctl stop' of the session .scope that they were in. > > >

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: [EXT] Re: Q: "systemd[1]: var-tmp-AP_0x6tWaHS.mount: Succeeded."

2022-01-30 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 28.01.2022 um 12:36 in Nachricht : > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 11:59 Ulrich Windl > wrote: > >> >>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 28.01.2022 um 10:27 in >> Nachricht >> : >> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: "systemd[1]: var-tmp-AP_0x6tWaHS.mount: Succeeded."

2022-01-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 28.01.2022 um 10:27 in Nachricht : > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> When upgrading SLES15 to SP3, a newer version of systemd was installed >>

[systemd-devel] Q: "systemd[1]: var-tmp-AP_0x6tWaHS.mount: Succeeded."

2022-01-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! When upgrading SLES15 to SP3, a newer version of systemd was installed (246.16+suse.191.g3850086c65). Since then I see new journal messages like these that I cannot associate with a unit: Jan 27 09:29:30 h16 systemd[1]: var-tmp-AP_0xC5KDJP.mount: Succeeded. Jan 27 09:29:30 h16

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] Why is using fstab the preferred approach according to systemd.mount man page?

2022-01-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Manuel Wagesreither" schrieb am 10.01.2022 um 11:43 in Nachricht <759bd805-ab37-4dc9-93cd-137668acf...@www.fastmail.com>: > Hi all, > > currently, the systemd.mount man page [1] claims that "In general, > configuring mount points through /etc/fstab is the preferred approach". Why > is

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: the need for a discoverable sub-volumes specification

2021-12-29 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Chris Murphy schrieb am 28.12.2021 um 20:02 in Nachricht : > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 3:40 AM Ulrich Windl > wrote: >> >> >>> Ludwig Nussel schrieb am 21.12.2021 um 14:57 in >> Nachricht <662e1a92-beb4-e1f1-05c9-e0b38e40e...@suse.de>: >>

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: journal logging and "{xyz}"

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wols Lists schrieb am 27.12.2021 um 13:18 in Nachricht <8802ee4d-230d-8013-553d-8615515ce...@youngman.org.uk>: > On 27/12/2021 12:09, Ulrich Windl wrote: >> Well, but why write "Failed to kill unit \x7b__SERVICE__\x7d.service" when >> "unit {__SER

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: journal filtering and unit failures

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 27.12.2021 um 10:52 in Nachricht : > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 11:26 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> debugging a problem I found out some surprising fact: >> When filtering

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: journal logging and "{xyz}"

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 27.12.2021 um 09:57 in Nachricht : > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 10:53 AM Ulrich Windl < > ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I just noticed that systemctl kill logs a (mis-named) service >>

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: the need for a discoverable sub-volumes specification

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Ludwig Nussel schrieb am 21.12.2021 um 14:57 in Nachricht <662e1a92-beb4-e1f1-05c9-e0b38e40e...@suse.de>: ... > The way btrfs is used in openSUSE is based on systems from ten years > ago. A lot has changed since then. Now with the idea to have /usr on a > separate read-only subvolume the

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: After= and Wants= doesn't seem to have an effect

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Andrei Borzenkov schrieb am 20.12.2021 um 13:27 in Nachricht <8581dcc7-abdc-4f35-ef41-f2ea02077...@gmail.com>: > On 20.12.2021 15:06, Christopher Wong wrote: >> # /etc/systemd/system/iris-detection.service >> After=temperature-controller.service >> >> #

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Q: When will WorkingDirectory be checked?

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 20.12.2021 um 13:27 in Nachricht : > On Fr, 17.12.21 08:11, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni‑regensburg.de) wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I have a simple question: When will WorkingDirectory be checked? >> Specifically: Will it

[systemd-devel] Q: journal filtering and unit failures

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! debugging a problem I found out some surprising fact: When filtering the journal with "journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=logrotate.service", I see an error only once, like this: -- Logs begin at Mon 2020-11-30 11:35:08 CET, end at Mon 2021-12-27 10:19:31 CET. -- Dec 18 00:00:20 h16

[systemd-devel] Q: journal logging and "{xyz}"

2021-12-27 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I just noticed that systemctl kill logs a (mis-named) service "{__SERVICE__}" as "\x7b__SERVICE__\x7d.service". Is that intended? Are braces considered bad? (systemd-234-24.90.1.x86_64 of SLES15 SP2) Regards, Ulrich Windl

[systemd-devel] Q: When will WorkingDirectory be checked?

2021-12-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I have a simple question: When will WorkingDirectory be checked? Specifically: Will it be checked before ExecStartPre? I could not get it form the manual page. Regards, Ulrich Windl

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] the need for a discoverable sub‑volumes specification

2021-12-13 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Chris Murphy schrieb am 10.12.2021 um 16:59 in Nachricht : > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 3:02 AM Ulrich Windl > wrote: >> >> >>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 19.11.2021 um >> >>> 10:17 >> in >> Nachricht : >>

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Additional Information for Ethernet

2021-12-09 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Greg KH schrieb am 09.12.2021 um 18:24 in Nachricht : > On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 03:13:42AM +, Spencer Ku (古世瑜) wrote: >> Hi All, >> We are developing the redfish of openbmc, and want to expose some Ethernet > information through the redfish interface, like packet count, drop count. My >

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Run reboot as normal user

2021-12-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Martin Wilck schrieb am 01.12.2021 um 10:41 in Nachricht : > On Wed, 2021‑12‑01 at 10:24 +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote: >> > > >> >> And I wonder what's wrong with allowing the shutdown command for the >> user in >> sudoers. >> (sudo $(w

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Run reboot as normal user

2021-12-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Martin Wilck schrieb am 01.12.2021 um 10:06 in Nachricht : > On Tue, 2021‑11‑30 at 14:11 +0100, Mohamed Ali Fodha wrote: >> Thanks, but I think using setuid has a security risk for attackers, >> so I understand there is no so much granularity to manage >> unprivileged access to systemd in

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Authenticated Boot: dm-integrity modes

2021-11-30 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Wol schrieb am 28.11.2021 um 21:56 in Nachricht : > On 28/11/2021 19:56, Adrian Vovk wrote: >> - Journal mode: is slow. It atomically writes data+hash, so the >> situation I describe above can never happen. However, to pull this off >> it writes the data twice. Effectively every layer of

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] the need for a discoverable sub‑volumes specification

2021-11-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 19.11.2021 um 10:17 in Nachricht : > On Do, 18.11.21 14:51, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > >> How to do swapfiles? > > Is this really a concept that deserves too much attention? I mean, I > have the suspicion that half the benefit of swap space

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Systemd hang when restarting a service during shutdown

2021-11-08 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Uoti Urpala schrieb am 08.11.2021 um 14:47 in Nachricht <27d2e5ff8a9b53e71bb599986060b7fbae469f1d.ca...@pp1.inet.fi>: > On Mon, 2021-11-08 at 12:05 +0100, Sean Nyekjaer wrote: >> Regarding, >> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/21203 >> >> I think the point of the issue missed when

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: systemctl start seems to hang with no status

2021-11-05 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Andy Pieters schrieb am 04.11.2021 um 20:02 in Nachricht : > On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 at 18:29, Michal Koutný wrote: > >> >> ntp-wait.service >> Wants=time-sync.target >> Before=time-sync.target >> >> > Ok this is not an answer, but why use ntp and not systemd-timesyncd? Most

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] the need for a discoverable sub-volumes specification

2021-11-04 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Chris Murphy schrieb am 03.11.2021 um 18:52 in Nachricht : > There is a Discoverable Partitions Specification > http://systemd.io/DISCOVERABLE_PARTITIONS/ > > The problem with this for Btrfs, ZFS, and LVM is a single volume can > represent multiple use cases via multiple volumes: subvolumes

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Output from `tee' is not showing up in system journal consistently on some systems

2021-10-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
ANother random idea: Did you experiment with tee option "--output-error=..."? >>> Mitchel Humpherys schrieb am 27.10.2021 um 18:50 in Nachricht : > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:52 AM Colin Guthrie wrote: >> >> Mitchel Humpherys wrote on 26/10/2021 21:16: >> > On my Manjaro and Ubuntu systems I'm

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Question about timestamps in the USER_RECORD spec

2021-10-28 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Arian van Putten schrieb am 26.10.2021 um 10:41 >>> in Nachricht : > Hey list, > > I'm reading the https://systemd.io/USER_RECORD/ spec and I have a question > > There are some fields in the USER_RECORD spec which are described as > "unsigned 64 bit integer values". Specifically the

[systemd-devel] systemctl start seems to hang with no status

2021-10-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! After a change in configuration ,updates and a reboot, I saw thgis probel in SLES12 SP5 (systemd-228-157.30.1.x86_64): ntpd.service failed during boot. For some reason /etc/ntp.conf was missing (my fault). After restoring /etc/ntp.conf and trying a start, start never seems to finish and I

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] PIDFile creation logic

2021-10-19 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Kenneth Porter schrieb am 18.10.2021 um 21:43 in Nachricht <95B112234248FF54AD014623@[192.168.1.16]>: > I just installed the new‑to‑EPEL ndppd service and am seeing this in my log: > > Oct 17 21:10:08 saruman systemd: Can't open PID file > /var/run/ndppd/ndppd.pid (yet?) after start: No

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Removing bold fonts from boot messages

2021-10-14 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Frank Steiner schrieb am 13.10.2021 um >>> 18:29 in Nachricht : > Ulrich Windl wrote: > >> Stupid question: If you see bold face at the end of the serial line, > wouldn't >> changing the terminal type ($TERM) do? >> Maybe construct your ow

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Removing bold fonts from boot messages

2021-10-12 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 12.10.2021 um 12:56 in Nachricht : > On Di, 12.10.21 12:09, Frank Steiner (fsteiner‑ma...@bio.ifi.lmu.de) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> after upgrading from SLES 15 SP2 (systemd 2.34) to SP3 (systemd 2.46) >> the boot messages are not only colored (which I like for

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Q: write error, watchdog, journald core dump, ordering of entries

2021-10-11 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 11.10.2021 um 09:54 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 06.10.21 10:29, Ulrich Windl (ulrich.wi...@rz.uni‑regensburg.de) wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> We had a stuck networkc card on a server that seems to have caused the RAID > controlle

[systemd-devel] Q: write error, watchdog, journald core dump, ordering of entries

2021-10-06 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! We had a stuck networkc card on a server that seems to have caused the RAID controller with two SSDs to be stuck on write as well. Anyway journald dumped core with this stack: Oct 05 20:13:25 h19 systemd-coredump[26759]: Process 3321 (systemd-journal) of user 0 dumped core. Oct 05 20:13:25

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Prefix for direct logging

2021-10-04 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Arjun D R schrieb am 29.09.2021 um 08:44 in Nachricht : > Hi Lennart, > > That's a good idea but still I would like to have the prefix as it is in > the journal . I understand it is impossible to bypass the journal and Why not write and use your own log-output function based on vsnprintf()

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Examples to distinguish Before=/After= and Wants=/Requires=/BindsTo=

2021-10-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 17.09.2021 um 11:49 in Nachricht : > On Mi, 15.09.21 17:15, Manuel Wagesreither (man...@fastmail.fm) wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm onboarding some collegues who don't have much experience with >> systemd. One thing I would like to focus on is the difference

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] Examples to distinguish Before=/After= and Wants=/Requires=/BindsTo=

2021-10-01 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Pagliari, Vivenzio (Nokia - DE/Ulm)" schrieb am 17.09.2021 um 09:52 in Nachricht > Hello Manuel, > > my experience is that it is helpful for people new to systemd to "raise the > right question" that is answered by the corresponding relationship between > systemd units. > > The

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] Mobile broadband modems support in systemd‑networkd

2021-08-20 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Bruce A. Johnson" schrieb am 19.08.2021 um 21:37 in Nachricht <8926b5b1-6d52-cf73-8936-bb097d874...@blueridgenetworks.com>: > I am trying to integrate an MBIM cellular modem (Sierra Wireless MC7455) > into my project, and while there seem to be plenty of people doing the > same thing, all

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] systemctl log verbosity

2021-08-18 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Michael Chapman schrieb am 18.08.2021 um 08:38 in Nachricht : > On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, Ulrich Windl wrote: >> >>> Michael Chapman schrieb am 17.08.2021 um 02:52 in >> Nachricht <885331af-bb7-41d0-e8-26c92023b...@very.puzzling.org>: >> > On Tue,

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] systemctl log verbosity

2021-08-18 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Michael Chapman schrieb am 17.08.2021 um 02:52 in Nachricht <885331af-bb7-41d0-e8-26c92023b...@very.puzzling.org>: > On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, Dave Close wrote: >> I'm trying to run "systemctl show" in a cron script. It works but I get >> a huge number of extra lines in my log for each run. Why?

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Upgraded multiple systems to systemd 249.3 and all had eth1 not started / configured

2021-08-16 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! Actually I wonder (even before the upgrade) what that nonsense is about: eth1: Interface name change detected, eth1 has been renamed to eth0. Regards, Ulrich >>> Amish schrieb am 16.08.2021 um 12:39 in Nachricht <83597df0-fef1-049e-3707-2aa2a3819...@gmail.com>: > Hello everyone, > > So I

[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] no log information about why machine is sleeping

2021-08-13 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> George Avrunin schrieb am 12.08.2021 um 14:10 in Nachricht <20210812081008.4ca3ce4c@g.localdomain>: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:24:25 +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote: > >> > However, I haven't been able to figure out why the machine puts itself >> > to sleep w

[systemd-devel] Antw: Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] no log information about why machine is sleeping

2021-08-12 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Ulrich Windl" schrieb am 12.08.2021 um 10:01 in Nachricht <6114d54802a100043...@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>: >>>> George Avrunin schrieb am 12.08.2021 um 01:44 in > Nachricht <20210811194453.2dd47326@g.localdomain>: >> On Wed

[systemd-devel] Antw: Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] no log information about why machine is sleeping

2021-08-12 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Ulrich Windl" schrieb am 12.08.2021 um 09:24 in Nachricht <6114cca902a100043...@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>: > Mine logs a lot when suspending or resuming, bu tOI dn't run Fedora (Leap It seems the keyboard driver does not like me: "... but I don't ..." > 15.3 instead).

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd‑devel] no log information about why machine is sleeping

2021-08-12 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> George Avrunin schrieb am 12.08.2021 um 01:44 in Nachricht <20210811194453.2dd47326@g.localdomain>: > On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 15:24:25 ‑0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 05:11:21PM ‑0400, George Avrunin wrote: >> > Aug 07 14:09:22 ext.math.umass.edu kernel: ACPI:

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] [systemd‑devel] no log information about why machine is sleeping

2021-08-12 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> George Avrunin schrieb am 11.08.2021 um 23:11 in Nachricht <20210811171121.0e197883@g.localdomain>: > Hello, > > As a result of a major power outage and consequent issues with some > switches, my office workstation, a Dell Precision T1700 running > fully‑updated Fedora 34, was off the

[systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: "Industry Standard" unit files

2021-08-03 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Mantas Mikulenas schrieb am 03.08.2021 um 11:44 in Nachricht : > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 11:36 Ulrich Windl > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm not into socket units, but maybe one one is could have a look at the >> unit files shown in https://serverfault.com

[systemd-devel] Q: "Industry Standard" unit files

2021-08-03 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi! I'm not into socket units, but maybe one one is could have a look at the unit files shown in https://serverfault.com/q/1070757/407952. Those files are from a commercial product (Backup Software) I wonder if these look OK, or (what I think) are quite incomplete. Regards, Ulrich

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