For what it's worth, I try to encourage projects to identify their bindings
as simply for systemd, even if the journal support is the first (and only)
set of APIs available. It's just so easy to support the other APIs once the
journal is already supported, and daemons that want to use the journal
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016, 19:07 Kai Hendry wrote:
> I would love to see that 10 lines of shell you claimed, but I think you
> might be underestimating the fine work that went into Dokku!
>
It's not so much underestimating the work in Dokku as much as leveraging
what systemd
Dokku would be about a 5-10 lines of shell script with services running in
systemd.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 20:41 Kai Hendry wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, at 07:56 PM, Paul Menzel wrote:
> > Is that possible by just using systemd, or is a load balancer like
> > HAProxy or
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:07 AM Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> Ultimately it's really a design decision: tabular file formats have
> the benefit of being a lot more dense, but are neither particularly
> extensible nor self-explanatory (as you need to know what each column
>
You either need a load balancer (less elegant) or need to make use of the
Linux kernel's SO_REUSEPORT option so the new application can bind to the
same port as the old one (at which point the old application should unbind
the port and shut itself down).
There could be a (potentially socket-activated) service that handles
requests for image downloads.
On Tue, May 31, 2016, 11:06 Brandon Philips wrote:
> Hello Everyone-
>
> The rkt container engine wants to run with different permissions pre-start
> and start. In pre-start it
Rebooting an old thread now that we're finally testing this out.
> "strace" should do the job. It should give you a pretty good idea of all
syscalls a process uses. That's what I used when testing SyscallFilters=.
This turns out to be less useful than it seems.
There are two major ways to
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:36 PM Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> There's a third way:
>
> ExecStart=/usr/bin/strace -D -ff -o /tmp/myservice.trace
> /usr/bin/myservlce --foo
>
Do you know if that would pass through file descriptors for socket
activation?
Would you be interested in moving this work to the systemd umbrella project
on GitHub? You would still manage the team, but it may get more visibility.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015, 19:27 Jan Synáček wrote:
> Hello,
>
> if anybody lurking here and hacking on systemd also likes
The wording of your questions isn't clear to me. Do you mean that A and B
are socket-activated services, each requiring C? And when you say "the
message of A and the message of B," do you mean packets going to the
sockets for A and B?
If so, a packet going to A or B will also start C. The
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:35 AM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
> What makes up that members list [1] in the first place?
>
I think it includes anyone on any team associated with the organization. It
also provides organization-level permissions for things like making new
In case anyone in the former owners group is checking here, you would have
received an email saying you've been removed from the "Core" team. GitHub
wanted me to rename it, so I did to "Core" before ultimately realizing it
served no further purpose. No one should have any less access to systemd
I made a few minor GitHub team changes:
(1) The "Owners" team is now deleted. GitHub migrated the access this team
originally provided to an "owner" attribute, making the team unnecessary.
Leaving the team would have only caused the actual owners to be out-of-sync
with the named "Owners" team.
If you only want one instance running, why not just create one service and
reconfigure/restart it?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015, 09:04 Johannes Ernst wrote:
> I have a foo@.service. When started as
> systemctl start foo@abc
> I’d like all other currently active foo@…
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015, 18:14 Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> We are close to being sold out now, only 14 tickets are still
> available now. If you intend to attend, make sure to register for the
> conference *now*, before it's too late and all tickets are gone.
>
> Register
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:19 AM Alessio Igor Bogani <
alessioigorbog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi systemd developers and users,
>
> The systemd 219 brought with Yocto "Fido" can't set hostname supplied
> by DHCP on my Beaglebone:
>
> eth0: eth0: could not bring up interface:
I think you should look into forwarding your logs to a more sophisticated
aggregator, like the ELK stack.
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Let's just try the GitHub tracker. I like how it associates issues with
pull requests and supports auto-linking for commit IDs, user names, and
other issue numbers. Is there any serious use case for systemd upstream it
doesn't support?
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:03 PM Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote:
Could you please check your old repos at:
https://github.com/systemd
and move or delete them if they are no longer needed. One of them at
least has a comment like This is old. Actual repo is on my
davidstrauss account. Will
Looks like everything's in place now at the new github.com/systemd/systemd
home.
I've halted the Jenkins CI from pushing to that repository (which was
formerly the mirror updated whenever CI passed). I'll probably update CI to
merely push a branch like master-passing so there's still a way to get
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:20 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
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On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 08:12:37PM +0200, David Herrmann wrote:
[1] https://github.com/systemd-devs/systemd
Is there a particular reason not to use the existing
https://github.com/systemd/systemd ?
No
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote:
So I see no use case for idle timer based cleanup. Can you please
explain why they are better than on-demand cleanup?
We do it on Pantheon's infrastructure because many daemons have a
resource footprint that is more
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:56 PM, WaLyong Cho walyong@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, it seems not. When I added MemoryLimit= option to just one service,
cgroups for every unit were generated on memory cgroup.
It looks like memory_limit and cpu_quota_per_sec_usec both have this
potential issue. The
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:33 PM, WaLyong Cho walyong@samsung.com wrote:
Thanks, understood. But I think this propagation is needed only for
taking weight argument such like CPUShares=weight,
StartupCPUShares=weight, BlockIOWeight=weight,
StartupBlockIOWeight=weight,
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:29 AM, WaLyong Cho walyong@samsung.com wrote:
If this can be configurable, how about add a configuration for cgroup
mask propagation to siblings?
I believe the way to prevent propagation is to separate the units into
different slices.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:29 AM, WaLyong Cho walyong@samsung.com wrote:
Could anyone explain why?
An admin using CPUShares= or a similar proportional CGroup controller
probably assumes that setting the shares to twice the default (for
example) increases the relative proportion of resources
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Does this make sense?
Speaking as a nano user and someone who barely knows how to quit vim,
I still think the decision of the default editor should be vi or the
distribution's choice.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
With your patch you generate a system-wide cache for that, but when do
you flush it precisely? What's the logic there?
It updates on daemon-reload or daemon-reexec, consistent with how we
load modified unit files.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote:
True, but some users (I am guessing with low end machines) are complaining
about Tracker while they're trying to use their system.
I said that having an active user does not inherently imply resource
contention, not that
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Paassen, Hiram van
hiram.van.paas...@mastervolt.com wrote:
Is it possible to start multiple different services from one process?
In short, that is not sanely possible. If you care about latency for
accessing the service, even on the first request, then just don't
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Leslie Zhai xiangzha...@gmail.com wrote:
But there are only lots of use cases about Linux Server and web application,
as a Linux desktop geek, I often consider about the disadvantage of
traditional deployment of Linux desktop application. Krita, for example, an
Changes like this make config management so much easier. +1
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I would like to discuss the state of systemd scalability on dense/large
systems.
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I'm responding here only to the systemd list.
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote:
Another option would be to use systemd. However, I am mindful that it's not
available everywhere just yet (but soon will be I hear) I am also aware, I
might get a biased
Mark Theunissen, part of the team here at Pantheon, got our changes
upstream in version 5.05:
https://www.stunnel.org/sdf_ChangeLog.html
Progress!
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It looks like newlines at the end of the new files are inconsistent
(No newline at end of file).
Other than that +1. It's great to add tests, have them pass on master,
optimize master (the next patch), and then still have them pass.
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I think the test additions need to be rebased into a single commit
onto master rather than the initial patch plus the fixes as a second
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It would be good if the test units were more basic, not things
including Crash recovery kernel arming. This makes it seems like the
contents are substantial to the tests, when they're not. Just run
something like ExecStart=/usr/bin/echo to make it clear that the units
are stubs. Then, anything but
Just to give some context, at Pantheon, we're working on optimizations
for the enabled part of systemd core. The first step we're doing is
enhancing the test suite. The additions here pass on master and will
also pass with the changes we'll submit after more tests are in core.
Would you be willing to post the entire unit files for everything
here, just so future users can see them? Presumably, you're using
JoinsNamespaceOf=proxy-to-directory-400.service in
vgp.master-ldap-400.service?
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
This won't work, since proxyd now cannot connect to port 400.
There is now a way to make that work with JoinsNamespaceOf=
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On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
yes is a synonym for both and no for none.
These are odd semantics, given that IPv6 is completely configurable
using router advertisements for even DNS information (that is, no DHCP
whatsoever). Perhaps the option should be
As someone who deploys developer VMs and production ones, this is
useful. Will it be possible to make units have ConditionDeployment=?
That would allow disabling, say, pushes of log messages to our log
aggregation servers from development and testing deployments.
I don't see much value in choosing a role from a predefined list.
Rarely do machines fit into one single, straightforward role.
It would be more useful to support machine tags/labels/roles that map
to units, especially if that's dynamically configurable using, say,
DHCP(v6). Then, something may
+1 on anything that makes the journal faster on heavy workloads. It
remains a major bottleneck on our systems.
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Is there a good way to empirically determine the additional calls
required for an application, sort of like selinux permissive mode?
We're often running user code on our servers, and we'd like to perform
analysis and gradually roll out filtering. We'd like to be as
non-disruptive as possible.
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mantas Mikulėnas graw...@gmail.com wrote:
I mean, as long as the first-listed server responds – and localhost always
responds – then the fallback servers won't be used at all.
Localhost can be subject to two types of failure:
* The local daemon being down.
*
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Dan Mace dm...@redhat.com wrote:
Which only handles writes via the Unix socket. The implementation we're
prototyping supports journal queries in ways that (to my knowledge) aren't
possible without either forking to external tools (e.g. journalctl) or
The CoreOS crew has already done most of this work by writing a native
Go implementation (rather than wrapping the C APIs).
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One of the cleanest ways to do what you want is to create a
D-Bus-activated systemd service (or socket-activated, if that's more
appropriate). That allows activation completely outside the user's
session without elevated privileges. Of course, it requires
considerable work for each service to do
Is there a downside to using KillMode=mixed instead?
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
Temporary work around is to hard code IPs into NTP.
It'd be neat to do the following:
(1) Do a DNS lookup for NTP servers, fetching DNSSec information.
(2) If a signature/clock sync issue is the only barrier to
Bumping this for review.
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An alternative workaround is to put the socket into a directory that
has the permissions desired. If you can't read the directory, you
can't use a socket in that directory.
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On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Alex B pkunk...@gmail.com wrote:
It's ok for one timer, but not for the set of them.
In general I'm want to schedule all maintenance tasks to 5 a.m.
or lunch break and forget about them.
This applies both for distro provided timers an my own.
I'd personally
systemctl disable or systemctl mask. You also have to stop it first,
as that only changes the default.
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This is a completed version of the patch Lennart and I worked on at
the hackfest. The version we worked on had separate string arguments
for each type of state. This patch harmonizes it more with the way
systemctl --state already works, which is an array of possible states
to match across all
Posting here for discussion at the systemd hackfest today.
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Tests are back to passing, so GitHub is now in sync with the
freedesktop.org git.
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Yuck, I figure we need to ignore RemoveIPC for all system users, not
just for root.
This still seems dangerous to me. I'm sure I have services running
under users where I've forgotten the system flag for the
Maybe if any service is running something as a user *or* it's a system
user, that user is immune to RemoveIPC?
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+1 from me. Seems like a good bugfix.
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
I think it is synchronized after successful jenkins runs, so it is always
buildable
and unit tests pass.
That's my GitHub mirror, not anything on freedesktop.org.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd is not yours?
Nope, that's mine. You were right. I misread the two trees as the
authenticated and anonymous git on freedesktop.org for some reason.
They were out of sync
CI is back online, but test-dhcp-option is currently failing, so it
won't update on GitHub until that's fixed.
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On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jason St. John jstj...@purdue.edu wrote:
init.debug would be better than systemd.debug, in my opinion. It
is shorter (less typing and no possible end-user confusion over
systemd.debug vs. system.debug), and it is init-agnostic. Other
init systems (OpenRC,
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Florian Albrechtskirchinger
falbrechtskirchin...@gmail.com wrote:
Both you and Tom Gundersen raised the point of assisting end-users with
boot issues. 'dbg' (as suggested, shorthand for 'dbg=kri') is as
concise and simple as it gets.
-1 on this because it moves
-1 on adding ConditionACPower=true
I frequently only plug in my laptop after putting it to sleep and then
disconnect it before waking it up again. It'd be possible to run
cleanup less frequently when on battery, but that would just delay the
work and increase the impact (which is pretty
Oh dear. Perhaps there's a way to use cgroups data to more selectively
do cleanup when there's overlap between regular users and service
users?
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Lee Atkinson linuxle...@gmail.com wrote:
.reading the Fedora 18 Users Guide
Fedora 18 is not a currently supported release, and its systemd is
ancient by this mailing list's standards.
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
So on Fedora tcpwrap is unlikely to go away soon.
Not necessarily. We just decided this morning in the server working
group that we would only include it if base OS insists:
Other than for zswap discussions, I spent the whole time on the
storage and file system side. I've filled in the topics that came up
(or I could topically ask about), and I have some good contacts now if
answering any others proves essential.
Outside the file system/MM space, at least one Ganesha
It's already reported (by me):
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75185
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
Curl requires the whole file to be exported first, which isn't great,
because it wants to give the content size in the header. I'm note
sure if it is possible to tell it to not do that.
I'm think you just
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Anand Neeli anand.ne...@gmail.com wrote:
I have multiple systems, How do i forward logs from one system running
systemd-journald to another remote systems journal service, so that all the
logs are stored on a centralized machine.
Have went through
Applied. Thanks!
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On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote:
Several of the ground breaking ideas in systemd seem to come directly from
launchd.
systemd makes no claim to be original or ground-breaking with many of
its ideas. As you mention, some come from launchd. Others come from
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:57 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote:
Now my philosophical sticking point is how big pid1 should be to do
what it needs to do. Practically, I am trying to understand where
those boundaries should be and how to communicate that information.
A large amount of
When is startup considered over? I'd like if it meant before the
WantedBy unit was started so this value still has use for arbitrary
startup.
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:46 AM, 황재영 j-zero.hw...@samsung.com wrote:
I've tried to build systemd(v43) with statically linking.
That version is ancient. I'm afraid you won't find much help with it
here. Have you tried a newer release?
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Vincent Batts vba...@redhat.com wrote:
Can we get a Makefile target for compiling the
systemd-socket-proxyd as statically linked? For it to be portable for
any guest container.
I think that would be neat. While I wrote much of that proxy, I'm not
versed well
This is a lot of code, and this approach is largely obsoleted by
link-local IPv6 addressing, which also has the benefits of being
simpler, deterministic (at least with RFC 4862), and collision-proof.
Both Apple [1] and Microsoft [2] prefer IPv6 link-local as the best
practice.
Is it really that
I'll be attending the Linux Storage, Filesystem MM Summit in March.
Are there any topics germane to systemd I should put on the agenda or
discuss with other folks there?
Things I have in mind so far:
* Next steps for mount and automount units
* That's it so far.
I'm mostly attending for my
It's not ridiculous, but it's also no better. This patch still blocks
the main event loop during each lookup.
Proper integration of non-blocking lookup would involve using
sd_resolve_get_fd() to integrate with the main event loop.
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Paul Menzel
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Or is there a reason why systemd should not be used for that?
Distro portability, but that's rapidly dying as a reason.
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The only thing in master I'm still having to patch in production is
the is-enabled code path so it doesn't look up all the symlinks. I
don't see that as a release blocker, though.
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
did you see the changes I made to the cgroup mask propagation bits? I
reworked some code there to make sure that the mask doesn't keep
increasing, but actually can lose bits again if cgroup properties are
unset.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Now, as far as I can see I didn't break your scalibility changes,
but I was wondering if you could give this a test run with your huge
number of units setup?
With 4000 units (2000 sockets and 2000 corresponding
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:
That's some downstream distro bug. And this is Fedora mailinglist.
RHEL issues are offtopic here.
This is not a Fedora mailing list at all.
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In order to maximize consistency with newly committed options in
systemd-nspawn, would it make sense to allow independent configuration
of the process and file labels instead?
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Elided sees widespread use in the kernel and libc for locks:
http://lwn.net/Articles/534758/
They're not referring to adding ellipses, though. They're talking
about just removing locks. In that sense, elide and ellipsize are
not synonyms.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
processlabel
The actual code processes this option as label. I'll fix all of this
up (including the asprintf) and then commit.
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Pushed with the following changes:
* Lennart's suggestions for option names.
* Lennart's other suggestion for no asprintf() in the options
processing. Moved the concatenation to strjoin() on use.
* Removed redundant trailing NULL in the arguments to strjoin().
* Removed invalid option -s from
We would find this extremely useful. Our #1 long-term feature need is
a containerization tool that supports both socket activation and
selinux. libvirt-lxc has the former, but I'm seeing inconsistent
documentation on the latter. I'd be glad to see systemd-nspawn get
good support.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
I'm not certain if the current version is gramatically correct, but
the proposed version seems wrong: there's just one sender, so only
singular form makes sense.
The current text makes more sense to me.
This seems applicable to what I'm working on (SaaS/PaaS company), but
I'm not sure I understand the distinction in capability this change
makes.
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Lennart Poettering
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What's the rationale here?
Three possibilities for an *enabled* timer with DefaultDependencies=true:
(1) WantedBy=timers.target, which redundantly adds
Before=timers.target (because DefaultDependencies already
You're using both onelan-player.slice and onelan-players.slice in your
example. Correct this first.
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Alternatively, we should update the man pages to reflect what the
DefaultDependencies= option affects.
Zbyszek's argument for the patch, however, is that following the
recommended WantedBy= behavior already applies the same Before=
dependency, and anyone doing otherwise ought not to be subjected
Has anyone looked at using socketat() for this? It's unclear whether
that syscall actually exists in any supported form; it's certainly not
documented.
[1] http://lwn.net/Articles/407495/
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