Re: [systemd-devel] Which udev action is run on boot for my device?

2020-10-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
'm not sure about even that. That is the correct way: check for the one "negative" action type (i.e. "remove"), and run your rules on all the other action types, i.e. on all "positive" action types. (Where "positi

Re: [systemd-devel] Which udev action is run on boot for my device?

2020-10-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
nel bind/unbind mess the sane rules already were broken) Also see the NEWS note on the upcoming systemd version 247: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/NEWS#L5 > Is this intended? Should I report bug to systemd or sane? The scanner is > connected to my PC all

Re: [systemd-devel] Which udev action is run on boot for my device?

2020-10-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
t; If I trigger the device manually with action "change", the variable is still > not there, as per the rule. Yeah, the rule is broken. udev rules should be written in a style that a "change" event can be triggered any time, and the devices keep their properties. Writing ru

Re: [systemd-devel] date/time set to epoch when using readonly rootfs

2020-10-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
> and this resulted in date 1.1.1970. All RH-based distro have patched the time check out of e2fsck since a long time. In particular in RTC-less systems it sounds like a very poor idea to leave that in. The right fix is certainly to remove this behaviour from fsck, and not to force an unnecessari

Re: [systemd-devel] Suppressing spam error messages in the system journal

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
es that mean no there isn't and also that there should not be, or are you > open to considering allowing a suppression mechanism similar to that > available in rsyslogd? Not a fan of such hacks. Fix the programs or filter during display, don#t suppress at time of collectio

Re: [systemd-devel] date/time set to epoch when using readonly rootfs

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
er.) This is the stuff systemd-timesyncd does when initializing: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/timesync/timesyncd.c#L27 Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https:

Re: [systemd-devel] date/time set to epoch when using readonly rootfs

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 22.10.20 11:47, Belisko Marek (marek.beli...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:52 AM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > > On Mi, 21.10.20 22:13, Belisko Marek (marek.beli...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I

Re: [systemd-devel] date/time set to epoch when using readonly rootfs

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
rked and an NTP fix could be acquired of course. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] BTI interaction between seccomp filters in systemd and glibc mprotect calls, causing service failures

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
rotected? > > i thought mprotect(PROT_EXEC) would get filtered > with or without bti, is that not the case? We can adjust the filter in systemd to match any combination of flags to allow and to deny. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___

Re: [systemd-devel] BTI interaction between seccomp filters in systemd and glibc mprotect calls, causing service failures

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
t me know. [An acceptable compromise might be to allow mprotect(PROT_EXEC|PROT_BTI) if MDWE is on, but prohibit mprotect(PROT_EXEC) without PROT_BTI. Then at least you get one of the two protections, but not both. I mean, MDWE is not perfect anyway on non-x86-64 already: on 32bit i386 MDWE prote

Re: [systemd-devel] BTI interaction between seccomp filters in systemd and glibc mprotect calls, causing service failures

2020-10-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
with this: it's a bit weird to alter the bits after the fact. Can't glibc set up everything right from the begining? That would keep both concepts working. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] [udev] Scanner rule not applied during boot

2020-10-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
m your PAM stacks? This smells like a distro integration thing to me, might make sense to inquire your distro maintainers about this. Consider logging in, and using "loginctl" to check if your session is properly recognized and tracked. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _

Re: [systemd-devel] [udev] Scanner rule not applied during boot

2020-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
f this doesn't work at login time there must be something borked with your display manager, or possibly systemd-logind. Which systemd version is this? Which distro? Which display manager? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-deve

Re: [systemd-devel] [udev] Scanner rule not applied during boot

2020-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
<<<<<< NOW MY USER IS HERE And? It's still owned by the "scanner" group like before, which the line three up shows you. The extra ACL entry probably comes from some "uaccess" rule somebody sets on the device. But I don#t now what rules you added or what sa

Re: [systemd-devel] Suppressing spam error messages in the system journal

2020-10-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
one I used for syslog? If not should there be > one? No. > 2) Could resolved be changed so that this message is only emitted > (say) once for every 100 or 500 times that the condition is > detected. We actually try hard to suppress

Re: [systemd-devel] btrfs raid not ready but systemd tries to mount it anyway

2020-10-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 16.10.20 17:45, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote: > > 2. Debugging with "rd.udev.debug systemd.log_level=debug": > > The same 10 HDD BTRFS volume with 4 drives connected to the motherboard > > and 6 drives connected to the HBA *fails* to

Re: [systemd-devel] btrfs raid not ready but systemd tries to mount it anyway

2020-10-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 16.10.20 16:26, Daniel J. R. May (daniel@danieljrmay.com) wrote: > On Fri, 2020-10-16 at 15:16 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > So the btrfs ready ioctl is called and the device considered by the > > kernel btrfs implementation to be ready > > (i.e. assembl

Re: [systemd-devel] btrfs raid not ready but systemd tries to mount it anyway

2020-10-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
d retriggering of udev rules you might see this more than once per device. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] btrfs raid not ready but systemd tries to mount it anyway

2020-10-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
roblem supposed to be be? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] btrfs raid not ready but systemd tries to mount it anyway

2020-10-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
/sysroot/ → /. > Anyway I'm mainly confused why the btrfs udev rule is seemingly not > applied in this case. For historical reasons udev log level is independent from the rest of systemd log level. Thus use udev.log_priority=debug to turn on udev debug logging. Lennart -- Lennart Poette

Re: [systemd-devel] Move processes into cgroups based on UID

2020-10-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
slice /user.slice/user-$UID.slice/ and then below that further cgroups for the sessions of the user, and the user services and so on. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists

Re: [systemd-devel] How to reply to the list

2020-10-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
ing the level of expertise you need to participate even higher by requiring them to use a UNIX nerd quality MUA. Hence, this is a pointless discussion. What people actually do matters, and what the book says doesn't. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: logrotate and "systemctl kill -s HUP ..."

2020-10-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
the main pid of a service however, verify that it points to the right process. The "systemctl kill" line you are using really just then sends a signal to that one process. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing li

Re: [systemd-devel] udev and probing of eMMC partition devices

2020-10-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 30.09.20 13:57, Alan Perry (al...@snowmoose.com) wrote: > > > On 9/23/20 9:29 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Di, 22.09.20 10:06, Alan Perry (al...@snowmoose.com) wrote: > > > > > > > device add events will get stuck at the probe step. > >

Re: [systemd-devel] Memory in systemctl status

2020-09-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
argue with Linus' second-in-command about what Linux memory management doesn't or does do. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd doesn't see ttyPS0 devices from udev

2020-09-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
with fedora 28 is ancient, of course. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] udev and probing of eMMC partition devices

2020-09-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
artition table signatures off disk. If things hang there, and the blkid prober worker process freezes then this really looks like a hw/driver problem, i.e. IO access from the block device just hangs. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mail

Re: [systemd-devel] udev and probing of eMMC partition devices

2020-09-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
; system? Have you checked the logs? Please always start with saying which systemd version this is, and which distro, otherwise it's very hard to grok what your setup is like? Maybe the eMMC driver has issues and simply hangs? dmesg might show something in that case. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Ber

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd doesn't see ttyPS0 devices from udev

2020-09-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
move", KERNEL=="ttyPS0", TAG+="systemd" > >> > >> should do it. Whether this should go upstream depends on how common > >> this device is. > > > > > > Well yes, but that should have been already covered by the existing > > u

Re: [systemd-devel] journald forwarding to rsyslogd. Huge (350 times) performance degradation. What am I doing wrong???

2020-09-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
I need performance. My system > generates a substantial amount of logs. I want to be able to store > messages with an arrival rate of 10 000 messages per second at > least. The rsyslog maintainer doesn't like systemd very much. Much of what he puts in the docs as big fa

Re: [systemd-devel] journald forwarding to rsyslogd. Huge (350 times) performance degradation. What am I doing wrong???

2020-09-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
any different log sources that log at the same time). Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-boot finding the kernel

2020-09-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
e *precise* character-by-character error message you saw? It might be that the error code is actually generated by firmware, and we just display it, which means we can't do much about this. Either way, please provide the character-exact error message! (A photo would do too)

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd SIGTERM's NetworkManager. NetworkManager dies, and takes WIRELESS with it. :(

2020-09-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
bus this means all dbus services are instantly considered to be down, and terminated if they still have processes down. Question is why your dbus daemon is shutdown, but given that the logs you appended start too late this cannot be determined from your logs. Lenna

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd SIGTERM's NetworkManager. NetworkManager dies, and takes WIRELESS with it. :(

2020-09-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
u issue "systemd-analyze log-level debug" first, to request debug output. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] libsystemd/sd_bus: trouble understanding how to parse complex responses

2020-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
ntainer(m, SD_BUS_TYPE_DICT_ENTRY, > "oa{sa{sv}}") returns 0 which aborts the loop. This does look correct to me. > At this point I am not sure if sd_bus actually behaves correctly and > GetManagedObjects() returns only one path or if I messed up the parsing of > the reply so

Re: [systemd-devel] Cannot nspawn raspbian 10

2020-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
the nspawn cmdline, to get more verbose output. But output will generally suck if this is really just a syscall/ioctl translation issue, you need to know what are you doing if you want to track that down. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-devel Digest, Vol 125, Issue 21

2020-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
or similar long-blocking syscalls from a thread that also is supposed to run your bus connection then of course the processing of the bus connection cannot take place then. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing lis

Re: [systemd-devel] [EXT] Re: Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
t; generally requires /etc/symlink to be a readable symlink. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/localtime.html Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Why systemd keeps references on passed sockets ?

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 08.09.20 17:35, Francis Moreau (francis.m...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:38 PM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > > "React on the socket close?" — What do you mean by that? > > > > I mean if my service explicitly calls close() the

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Q: Start a unit n minutes after a successful boot

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
rget [Timer] OnActiveSec=2min [Install] WantedBy=timers.target This will enqueue the timer during early boot, but not actually activate it until default.target has been reached. Then once active, after 2mn the associated service is triggered. Lennart -- Lennart Poetteri

Re: [systemd-devel] socket: Failed to queue service startup job: Transport endpoint is not connected

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
uld connect again. The system had > been mostly idle and there were no upgrades since it booted up 2 days > earlier. The previous ssh login attempt was 4 hours before. It's a bug. Should be fixed by 86e045ecefc404d4fccbeb78aa212ec4714a5763.

Re: [systemd-devel] Q: Start a unit n minutes after a successful boot

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
id > backing up broken configurations)? What does "started successfully" mean to you? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Alias use in socket file

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
links that change unit type (i.e. the unit suffix after the dot) as aliases. It also doesn't accept symlinks that change if a unit is templated or not. Objects can't magically change their type, and they cannot suddenly become/stop being templated or not. Sorry, Lennart --

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 07.09.20 14:19, Kevin P. Fleming (ke...@km6g.us) wrote: > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 11:58 AM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Not sure I can parse this. Both timers and services are units in > > systemd. You can enable timer units, and you can enable service units, > >

Re: [systemd-devel] libsystemd/sd_bus: trouble understanding how to parse complex responses

2020-09-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
rmally, you#d enter the array once and then iterate through the dict entries contained therein. i.e. unless there's an "aa" object somewhere (i.e. "array of array") you'd do the while loop around the dict entries, not the array object. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Journal message timestamps

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
ave a different series of seqno on each boot, and it good enough to compare log record order for recrods of the same boot, but not of different boots. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.o

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Journal message timestamps

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
-support-for-filling-the-kernel-entropy-pool The third point there: "The systemd-boot EFI boot loader included in systemd is able to maintain and provide a random seed stored in the EFI..." Other boot loaders should be able to implement the same. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
ction of foobar.service, which then means that if the service is enabled, foobar.timer is enabled implicitly. it really boils down to what you put in [Install]. And key really is that timers are just *one* way to trigger a service, and the same service might be triggered via a multitude

Re: [systemd-devel] Logind: how to access a device when you're not the session controller

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
it up after forgetting about logind. Put all > those devices into a non-default seat, override their file permissions, > and assume they are untrusted (can be eavesdropped). Note that I myself never worked on a wayland compositor or suchlike, I have no experience with your perspective on these things: we

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
and do something. Pet vs. cattle... Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
tion, singular times. But doing so regularly on every single boot is probably something to avoid, but boot counting would require that. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] non-existent unit instances

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sa, 05.09.20 18:46, Richard Hector (rich...@walnut.gen.nz) wrote: > Hi all, > > Quoting from another thread: > > On 5/09/20 4:36 am, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Unit instances can be activated on-the-fly without further prepartion > > or regsitration of the

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-encrypt is a little painful

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 07.09.20 18:04, Mantas Mikulėnas (graw...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 5:33 PM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > On Mo, 07.09.20 13:51, Kai Hendry (hen...@webconverger.com) wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > After making

Re: [systemd-devel] Why systemd keeps references on passed sockets ?

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
d that work for you? (Maybe we could even tweak this a bit in systemd, so that when you invoke shutdown() on the socket systemd holds for you we do not consider that a failure anymore, but a clean way to tell systemd to stop the socket). Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-encrypt is a little painful

2020-09-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
; me know. > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues?q=sd-encrypt Hm? > > Sidenote: would be cool if a basic en.network could be generated. Generated, from what? When? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-de

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sa, 05.09.20 09:49, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote: > 05.09.2020 01:05, Lennart Poettering пишет: > > > > I explained this already. DNS server data today is much less config > > than state, acquired dynamically via DHCP, hence most distros don#t > > c

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-homed: can't activate home

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
ed are files called /home/$USER.home, they contain a GPT partition table with a single partition as mentioned above, of partition type 773f91ef-66d4-49b5-bd83-d683bf40ad16, and with a LUKS2 volume inside. That LUKS2 volume needs to carry some extra metadata in its he

Re: [systemd-devel] [Help] Can't log in to homed user account: "No space left on device"

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 24.08.20 01:24, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > User reports this from 'homectl inspect' > > LUKS Discard: online=no offline=yes > > Does this mean 'fstrim' is issued before luksClose? And 'fallocate' is > issued before luksOpen? Yes. Lennart --

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
think this discussion kinda lost its usefulness, I am just repeating myself, and will thus refrain from further input on this thread. If my explanations aren't enough, aren't acceptable I think we both have to live with that. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _

Re: [systemd-devel] Why systemd keeps references on passed sockets ?

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
xit-on-idle do not exist? A model like that is currently not implemented. Can you elaborate on the usecase? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 04.09.20 21:41, Dave Howorth (syst...@howorth.org.uk) wrote: > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 17:44:23 +0200 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Fr, 04.09.20 17:10, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > > > > > No, that's not supported in sd-boot. A boot l

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 04.09.20 21:51, Dave Howorth (syst...@howorth.org.uk) wrote: > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 21:32:19 +0200 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Fr, 04.09.20 14:10, Shravan Singh (shra...@bluesparq.com) wrote: > > > > > Hello Lennart, > > > > > > C

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
is a very basic change one that needs to be > supported by the system. Why guard it with so much. We don't do that. Just make /etc/ writable ffs, if you want stuff in /etc to be changable. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-de

Re: [systemd-devel] Journal message timestamps

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
al attention. But there are many other engineers in this world, maybe you can find one that shares your priorities on this and he will fix it for you. I am not going to be that, but at least I can offer to review the patches and merge them if they are good. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 04.09.20 14:10, Shravan Singh (shra...@bluesparq.com) wrote: > Hello Lennart, > > Can you help me in understanding why this push was rejected? > *Make timedatectl nicely work with read-only filesystems #8277 * The explanation is in the PR comments. Lennart -- Lennart Poette

Re: [systemd-devel] [Help] Can't log in to homed user account: "No space left on device"

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
resizing automatically. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
up". Anyway, long story short: you typically do not enable services that are only supposed to activated by timer units, enabling those timers should entirely suffice, and the timers will start the services when the time comes. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___

Re: [systemd-devel] User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
s, e.g. both at boot and regularly at some specific time. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
irectory name it was not > properly found by the timer-triggered service run. As mentioned this doesn#t have anything to do with timers or no timers. The rule is just that the ".d/" must be append to the unit or template name, i.e. after the ".service", as you noticed. Lennart

Re: [systemd-devel] User/Group overrides in a templated service triggered via timer

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
iggred. i.e. if timer activated or activated as dep or at boot should not matter at all. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Journal message timestamps

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
rate timestamps we generate them when we flush that. So maybe that flushing happens after the fake rtc thing? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Journal message timestamps

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
me way as /dev/urandom is kernel API /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id is kernel API and we should rely on it to work and if it doesn't then it needs to be fixed in the kernel. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@

Re: [systemd-devel] Journal message timestamps

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
bugreport.cgi?bug=963977 Umpf, that's a bad kernel bug. It suggests the boot_id is picked before the random pool is fully initialized. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Journal message timestamps

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
es what fake-hwclock does automatically, and also does SNTP. it should be fine for most usecases, no need to resort to fake-hwclock) Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
lder versions of the OS/kernel if it doesn't boot. Thus some form of write access is necessary if you care about robustness. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Need help with setting up systemd for Apache on Debian 10

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
ample Fedora does that since 2011: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707917 Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-userdbd and other stuff running all the time

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root9 2020-08-24 12:47 systemd-userdbd.socket -> > /dev/null Well knock yourself out, but masking is not necessary, you can just disable homed/userdbd/timesyncd if you don#t want it, and repart is conditioned out anyway, so masking doesn't really get you much. Lennart -- L

Re: [systemd-devel] Using timedatectl on a readonly rootfile system using mender

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
where persistant configuration is supposed to be. I am sorry, but /etc on Linux is a single directory, and you can only cleanly choose between all configuration read only or none, there's no nice way for a middle ground. Sorry. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin __

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd router advertisement handling

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
also interfering with received RAs? we bind per interface, there should not be a conflict. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Conflicts on service template

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
e ones (i.e. Conflicts=). Sorry, Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: Odd status after core dump

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
in the status of "starting" the > service when the core dump happened when stopping the service, and why isn't > the original core dump message included as well? I cannot parse this, and I cannot tell you how you configured your syslog and why it shows less data. Lennar

Re: [systemd-devel] GNOME boot-complete.target integration ?

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
l > ext4 partition or is it required that the kernel and initrd live on the > EFI partition too? No, that's not supported in sd-boot. A boot loader is a boot loader, it should contain a fragile storage stack. It's kinda what sd-boot is supposed to do better than grub. Lennart -- Lennart Poett

Re: [systemd-devel] howto switch from grub2-bios to systemd-boot

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
on XBOOTLDR and combine them. XBOOTLDR is supposed to be used only if you have an existing ESP that is too small to carry kernels, and you'd rather not resize it. XBOOTLDR should be vfat too, as with sd-boot you still need an fs the firmware can read. Lennart -- Le

Re: [systemd-devel] Logind: how to access a device when you're not the session controller

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
ogind with some new concept, no suggestion. Or simply bypassing logind and opening the devices directly with root privs? or test this in virtualization? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@

Re: [systemd-devel] Shut down system after all sshd instances terminate

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
check if number of active sessions is > 0. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] What is the point of making timesyncd bus-activatible?

2020-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
provide a dbus activation file And then everything is race-free and robust. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Per user limit defaults in systemd.conf

2020-09-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 01.09.20 08:57, Joshua Miller (joshuamille...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 7:30 AM Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Anyway, do you want this for login users or for system services? > > Initially your reference to User= suggests the latter, but your &g

Re: [systemd-devel] Per user limit defaults in systemd.conf

2020-09-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
o, given that PAM isn't really what system services should bother with. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Antw: [EXT] Re: tmpfiles chicken-egg problem

2020-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
in the man page and the docs otherwise. And besides that, we actually push people towards using RuntimeDirectory=, StateDirectory=, … and stuff so that these dirs are created when the service is started and not earlier, for services where that works.

Re: [systemd-devel] 'PIDFile=' warning and override.conf

2020-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
systemd/system/ to /etc/systemd/system/ and then fix it there. In that case the vendor supplied version is entirely ignored and not parsed and thus the warning goes away. If you otoh just add a extension drop-in via .d/ then the original file is read, including the legacy PIDFile= stanza,

Re: [systemd-devel] 'PIDFile=' warning and override.conf

2020-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
de.conf) > > [Service] > ExecStartPre= > ExecStartPre=/bin/mkdir -p /run/fail2ban Use RuntimeDirectory=fail2ban instead. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedes

Re: [systemd-devel] 'PIDFile=' warning and override.conf

2020-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
used and fix it, or that downstrea, users notice and complain to maintainers, and they fix it then. There's not much point to try to fix that locally as user, it's a warning only after all. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailin

Re: [systemd-devel] tmpfiles chicken-egg problem

2020-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
ag", and then the software would try a restart (up to the next > failure) You can add a hack around everything you like. But I'd suggest fixing the actual issue instead of taping over it... Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-fsck doesn't check data partiton

2020-08-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
he util-linux mount command. If you don't use that, you are on your own. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] [question] is it possible with systemd-journalctl to change the location to save logs in other location?

2020-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
nts) doesn't matter to us much, we just think it's much simpler if the paths stay fixed and are useful universal identifiers, even if the stuff behind them is actually placed somehere else. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ syste

Re: [systemd-devel] fuse-sshfs and x-systemd.automount

2020-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
s systemd established will come from system context and will be disconnected from the client's context, and we think that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] fuse-sshfs and x-systemd.automount

2020-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
it has to do with > systemd - nobody forced him to read or respond at all Yeah, but still no reason to ask people "what their f** problem" is... Anyway, just stop this. Both posting insults like that, and then discussing them. One more post on this and you are back on moderation. Lennart -

Re: [systemd-devel] fuse-sshfs and x-systemd.automount

2020-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On So, 16.08.20 17:14, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > > Am 16.08.20 um 17:03 schrieb Lennart Poettering: > > On Sa, 15.08.20 22:56, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > > >> is it a bug or a concept issue that it's mounted fpr root i

Re: [systemd-devel] fuse-sshfs and x-systemd.automount

2020-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On So, 16.08.20 17:16, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > > Am 16.08.20 um 17:01 schrieb Lennart Poettering: > > On So, 16.08.20 09:05, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > > >> how is it not given it#s a systemd-option and what is your f*

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