Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-27 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:08:47AM -0700, Marcel Holtmann wrote: ConnMan is a single daemon solution doing NTP, DHCP and DNS all in one place. Any sort of callouts are costing time. And that is time that has a visible user impact. There is nothing that justifies to have a bit more nanosecond

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-27 Thread Marcel Holtmann
Hi Miroslav, ConnMan is a single daemon solution doing NTP, DHCP and DNS all in one place. Any sort of callouts are costing time. And that is time that has a visible user impact. There is nothing that justifies to have a bit more nanosecond accuracy of synchronized time than making the user

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 03:27:10AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 21.08.14 12:49, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: This is useful for installations where some other service than systemd-timesyncd is used to synchronize the system clock. What's the rationale here?

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 26.08.14 11:41, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: This is useful for installations where some other service than systemd-timesyncd is used to synchronize the system clock. What's the rationale here? To have timedated/timedatectl managing the right NTP service on

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 26.08.14 11:41, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: This is useful for installations where some other service than systemd-timesyncd is used to synchronize the system clock. What's the

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:21:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 26.08.14 11:41, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: To have timedated/timedatectl managing the right NTP service on distributions like Fedora. I don't really think that timedated should manage an NTP

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Simon Peeters
2014-08-26 14:37 GMT+02:00 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net: On Tue, 26.08.14 16:34, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote: I don't really think that timedated should manage an NTP server like ntpd/chrony. timedated's primary job is to be a service to GNOME and other DEs.

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Marcel Holtmann
Hi Miroslav, To have timedated/timedatectl managing the right NTP service on distributions like Fedora. I don't really think that timedated should manage an NTP server like ntpd/chrony. I'm talking about NTP clients, not servers. Writing a good NTP client is the difficult part, making

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 07:50:23AM -0700, Marcel Holtmann wrote: and writing a good DHCP client was supposedly also really hard. Guess what we have done that twice now and both of our clients are better than everything else out there. And guess what, we did the same for NTP. Are you saying

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Marcel Holtmann
Hi Miroslav, and writing a good DHCP client was supposedly also really hard. Guess what we have done that twice now and both of our clients are better than everything else out there. And guess what, we did the same for NTP. Are you saying timesyncd is already better than chronyd or ntpd?

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 26.08.14 15:44, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: timedated's primary job is to be a service to GNOME and other DEs. But if an admin wants to upgrade to a full NTP server, then he should really enable/disable that with systemctl or a similar command. Distributions

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 26.08.14 15:56, Simon Peeters (peeters.si...@gmail.com) wrote: 2014-08-26 14:37 GMT+02:00 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net: On Tue, 26.08.14 16:34, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote: I don't really think that timedated should manage an NTP server like

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 26, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: If it makes you happy, then I can add a big warning to configure, if people build things and don't specify their own NTP servers... The history is full of people who got burned by using somebody's else NTP servers without permission,

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-26 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
В Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:19:01 +0200 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net пишет: On Tue, 26.08.14 17:45, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 07:50:23AM -0700, Marcel Holtmann wrote: and writing a good DHCP client was supposedly also really hard.

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 21.08.14 12:49, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: This is useful for installations where some other service than systemd-timesyncd is used to synchronize the system clock. What's the rationale here? We recently removed support for configuring arbitrary NTP servers from

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] timedated: add configure option to set name of controlled NTP service

2014-08-21 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
This is useful for installations where some other service than systemd-timesyncd is used to synchronize the system clock. --- configure.ac | 9 + src/timedate/timedated.c | 10 +- 2 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) diff --git a/configure.ac