Re: [systemd-devel] How to reply to the list

2020-10-01 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 01.10.20 um 09:31 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Mi, 30.09.20 11:08, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> 
>> Am 30.09.20 um 09:35 schrieb Ulrich Windl:
>> Dave Howorth  schrieb am 28.09.2020 um 16:34 in
>>> Nachricht <20200928153422.6bf6e...@acer-suse.lan>:
 On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:10:38 +0200
 Reindl Harald  wrote:
> can you stop "reply‑all" and breaking threads when respond to lists?

 I can't answer for the reply‑all, that would annoy me as well.
 But the thread isn't broken, my MUA is showing it nicely.
>>>
>>> Also: Some MUAs only have "reply" and "Reply to all"; the first one would 
>>> only
>>> reply to the sender, and the last one would reply to list and sender.
>>
>> and?
>>
>> you are one of the "reply-all" guys and so i need "reply-all" too - now
>> look at my message - do you see anything else then
>> "systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
>>
>> it's no rocket science using a 08/15 brain and remove useless RCPT's
>> even before start writing the response
> 
> Reindl, stop this. No need to write stuff about "08/15 brains".
> 
> emails are a tool, and a tool that is used a certain way by
> people. Insisting that the tool shouldn't be used that way is
> pointless. We want to discuss systemd on this mailing list and not
> what the truest bestest way to send mails to mailing lists is, it's
> irrelevant, we better adjust the mailing list so that it works for
> people rather than insist that they are doing it wrong.
> 
> Mailing lists have a high threshold of entry anyway, and scare many
> people away who aren't that used how the 1990's Internet wanted things
> to work. There's really no point in making the level of expertise you
> need to participate even higher by requiring them to use a UNIX nerd
> quality MUA.
> 
> Hence, this is a pointless discussion. What people actually do
> matters, and what the book says doesn't.

yeah, because you are one of the guys and that's why you would have got
a vacation replky until yesterday while list messages are ignored
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Re: [systemd-devel] How to reply to the list

2020-10-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 30.09.20 11:08, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:

> Am 30.09.20 um 09:35 schrieb Ulrich Windl:
>  Dave Howorth  schrieb am 28.09.2020 um 16:34 in
> > Nachricht <20200928153422.6bf6e...@acer-suse.lan>:
> >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:10:38 +0200
> >> Reindl Harald  wrote:
> >>> can you stop "reply‑all" and breaking threads when respond to lists?
> >>
> >> I can't answer for the reply‑all, that would annoy me as well.
> >> But the thread isn't broken, my MUA is showing it nicely.
> >
> > Also: Some MUAs only have "reply" and "Reply to all"; the first one would 
> > only
> > reply to the sender, and the last one would reply to list and sender.
>
> and?
>
> you are one of the "reply-all" guys and so i need "reply-all" too - now
> look at my message - do you see anything else then
> "systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
>
> it's no rocket science using a 08/15 brain and remove useless RCPT's
> even before start writing the response

Reindl, stop this. No need to write stuff about "08/15 brains".

emails are a tool, and a tool that is used a certain way by
people. Insisting that the tool shouldn't be used that way is
pointless. We want to discuss systemd on this mailing list and not
what the truest bestest way to send mails to mailing lists is, it's
irrelevant, we better adjust the mailing list so that it works for
people rather than insist that they are doing it wrong.

Mailing lists have a high threshold of entry anyway, and scare many
people away who aren't that used how the 1990's Internet wanted things
to work. There's really no point in making the level of expertise you
need to participate even higher by requiring them to use a UNIX nerd
quality MUA.

Hence, this is a pointless discussion. What people actually do
matters, and what the book says doesn't.

Lennart

--
Lennart Poettering, Berlin
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Re: [systemd-devel] How to reply to the list

2020-09-30 Thread Dave Howorth
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 09:35:35 +0200
"Ulrich Windl"  wrote:
> >>> Dave Howorth  schrieb am 28.09.2020 um
> >>> 16:34 in  
> Nachricht <20200928153422.6bf6e...@acer-suse.lan>:
> > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:10:38 +0200
> > Reindl Harald  wrote:  
> >> can you stop "reply‑all" and breaking threads when respond to
> >> lists?  
> > 
> > I can't answer for the reply‑all, that would annoy me as well.
> > But the thread isn't broken, my MUA is showing it nicely.  
> 
> Also: Some MUAs only have "reply" and "Reply to all"; the first one
> would only reply to the sender, and the last one would reply to list
> and sender. Interestingly for some lists a plain "Reply" works just
> right, but not for this list. Please do not assume everybody is using
> the same MUA than you do...

And, the relevance is ? ...

I can't help it if people use broken MUAs. They should either change to
a MUA that works properly, or edit the replies by hand.

And please do not send me private copies of mail to the list
If you do, I will put you in my bitbucket.
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Re: [systemd-devel] How to reply to the list

2020-09-30 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 30.09.20 um 09:35 schrieb Ulrich Windl:
 Dave Howorth  schrieb am 28.09.2020 um 16:34 in
> Nachricht <20200928153422.6bf6e...@acer-suse.lan>:
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:10:38 +0200
>> Reindl Harald  wrote:
>>> can you stop "reply‑all" and breaking threads when respond to lists?
>>
>> I can't answer for the reply‑all, that would annoy me as well.
>> But the thread isn't broken, my MUA is showing it nicely.
> 
> Also: Some MUAs only have "reply" and "Reply to all"; the first one would only
> reply to the sender, and the last one would reply to list and sender.

and?

you are one of the "reply-all" guys and so i need "reply-all" too - now
look at my message - do you see anything else then
"systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"

it's no rocket science using a 08/15 brain and remove useless RCPT's
even before start writing the response
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