Re: [systemd-devel] Unmentioned 209 change: 80-net-name-slot.rules is gone

2014-02-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
be added... Lots of people look at NEWS in the web git interface, or long after the release. I updated the wiki page: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd on by default?

2014-02-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
by itself, but I would figure udev should kick it in via the setup link built in in most cases - but I guess that wouldn't work inside containers, so perhaps this is where things break down and you need it statically enabled). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] Unmentioned 209 change: 80-net-name-slot.rules is gone

2014-02-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
to override 99-default.link instead. 4. Gentoo went with number 3. Now: 5. Can numbers 1 and 2 update to the suggestion of 3? Feel free to update 2. I only did a naive find/replace on the wiki, but agree that 99-default.link is the correct place. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] Unmentioned 209 change: 80-net-name-slot.rules is gone

2014-02-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
if the file exists and is a symlink to /dev/null. If that is the case then the default disabling configuration could be applied instead of the blind rename, but really this should be OK for 99.9% of users as is. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 210

2014-02-25 Thread Colin Guthrie
is that a general rule is easier to grok than a per-directive rule, although I may have missed some important subtleties and back discussion here. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 210

2014-02-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 25/02/14 13:29 did gyre and gimble: On Tue, 25.02.14 13:05, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 24/02/14 22:08 did gyre and gimble: * systemd will now understand the usual M, K, G, T suffixes

Re: [systemd-devel] synchronizing user service

2014-03-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
. This falls down quite royally when you have multiple users tho'! Hope that helps a bit. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] synchronizing user service

2014-03-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Alec Leamas at 10/03/14 15:46 did gyre and gimble: On 3/10/14, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Alec Leamas at 07/03/14 19:45 did gyre and gimble: Sorry for not being clear. The priob On 3/7/14, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote

Re: [systemd-devel] failed to store sound card state

2014-03-28 Thread Colin Guthrie
option is for: -I,--no-init-fallback don't initialize even if restore fails Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio

Re: [systemd-devel] failed to store sound card state

2014-03-28 Thread Colin Guthrie
!), and if you don't need this on your system, then much like any systemd unit you don't want, you, as an administrator, should just mask it. systemctl mask alsa-store alsa-restore alsa-state Job done. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd not correctly handle audio device acls for the active session?

2014-03-28 Thread Colin Guthrie
magically these days. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd not correctly handle audio device acls for the active session?

2014-03-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
, this is a pretty messy and not easy to configure and also needs privileges to run so isn't nice from a security perspective. All in all it's just easier to do the whole reuse the current vt thing instead. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH v2] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not debug

2014-04-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
be misread by novice users, especially if they are totally unaware of what systemd is (they may never even have heard the name before) - not everyone who needs to collect debug information is a developer after all. Just a small thought. Cheers Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCHv3] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not debug

2014-04-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
); Line above the change line should have the ); removed... Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not debug

2014-04-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
really revolve around this, so I say just change it and move on with making things awesome and don't waste time on this point of principle. We can still know we're right without actually implementing it :p Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

[systemd-devel] auditd.service and RefuseManualStop

2014-04-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
. Perhaps the upstream unit could be tweaked? Perhaps RefuseManualStop is overkill? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Document CONFIG_NET_NS as a required kernel option

2014-04-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
the same comment, but instead: +1. Some people might *think* they are more secure than they really are. Visible logging on each service start shouldn't be too horrible or spammy IMO. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH v2] fsck: Search for fsck.type in PATH

2014-04-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
skipped). In this case the side effect is actually calling fsck_exists(). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] systemctl: systemctl --root=container/ set-default ... is totally borked.

2014-04-17 Thread Colin Guthrie
, then it would likely fail. Col PS I'm only going on what Zbigniew said here - didn't actually look at the code. -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio

[systemd-devel] journalctl --since today --follow weirdness

2014-04-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
--follow's 10 line limit!) This is with a recent version of the 208-stable branch. Can someone confirm is this is still a problem in more recent versions? Cheers Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source

Re: [systemd-devel] GuessMainPID=no required to make daemon reload work

2014-05-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
though as per Lennart's previous comments. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] GuessMainPID=no required to make daemon reload work

2014-05-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
daemon to only that user. You can use e.g. tmpfiles to setup needed directories in /run (and infact newer systemds can do some directory permission/creating internally just from the unit contents too). If this doesn't apply feel free to ignore :) Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Fix systemd-stdio-bridge symlink

2014-05-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
as the building happens inside a chroot with the latest packages, which includes latest ln. Do you really build on an older node against older libs with older ln etc? I would have thought you'd also have some kind of chroot on these nodes when building too no? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] how can I add a boot parameter to a app which depend on kernel boot option

2014-05-13 Thread Colin Guthrie
does quite simple matching, so it might not do what you need anyway. So I think a wrapper script is likely best here. Or some: ExecStart=/bin/bash -c '...' if you can encapsulate it simply enough within the ''. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Fix systemd-stdio-bridge symlink

2014-05-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Umut Tezduyar Lindskog at 13/05/14 18:37 did gyre and gimble: On Wednesday, May 7, 2014, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie mailto:gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Umut Tezduyar Lindskog at 04/03/14 12:44 did gyre and gimble: Does

Re: [systemd-devel] error: undefined reference to `sd_event_source_unref' while the function exists in source

2014-05-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
exported as a library, so you'll likely have to compile and link all the sd-event.c code into your project too. It might help if you explain to the list what some source code actually refers to! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http

Re: [systemd-devel] error: undefined reference to `sd_event_source_unref' while the function exists in source

2014-05-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
easier to consume :)). -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] Journal rotation and notifying users

2014-05-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 14/05/14 16:18 did gyre and gimble: On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 01:03:28PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: i.e. perhaps it should include details on when the last rotation occured and perhaps why? Maybe it'd be enough to increase the log level

Re: [systemd-devel] journalctl --since today --follow weirdness

2014-05-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 23/04/14 16:12 did gyre and gimble: Hiya, A colleague pointed out an oddity in journalctl --since today --follow output. It seems the two arguments somewhat contradict each other: one asks for all the output for today and the other asks for all future

Re: [systemd-devel] no fsck at boot

2014-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
at boot? Via what mechanism did you trigger the fsck at boot (other than /forcefsck)? e.g. did you pass fsck.mode=force on the kernel command line (as the deprecated warning suggests)? Did this not trigger things correctly? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-network-wait-online symlinks to systemd-networkd

2014-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
as this number is sort of irrelevant if the packager is doing their job right regardless of the OOTB behaviour. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org

Re: [systemd-devel] no fsck at boot

2014-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
approach but via the kernel command line trigger instead. This would mean you wouldn't have to manually edit and later restore your grub command line each time and, assuming /boot is separate from /, you could trigger all this while / is mounted ro. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-network-wait-online symlinks to systemd-networkd

2014-06-11 Thread Colin Guthrie
? As mentioned above the preset would be useful for the fresh install scenario, but upgrades still have to be handled quite carefully and explicitly. Don't get me wrong, it's not that much effort, but it's still a gotcha to worry about! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd stops

2014-06-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
before banging head too much against the brick wall :D Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd stops

2014-06-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
that's all as expected (although I'm kinda surprised it says wanted by graphical.target, but that's likely just a cosmetic thing to try and make sure it's already started when the login manager starts, which will trigger it starting anyway). Anyway -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http

Re: [systemd-devel] no fsck at boot

2014-06-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
with it for a while! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-fsck-root semantics

2014-07-02 Thread Colin Guthrie
if needed. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-fsck-root semantics

2014-07-02 Thread Colin Guthrie
nicer ways! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-fsck-root semantics

2014-07-02 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 02/07/14 14:07 did gyre and gimble: I guess that as most people use initramfs', an extra ConditionPathExists!=/run/initfamfs/skip-root-fsck wouldn't go astray, and dracut+co could learn to touch that file if they've properly analysed and taken care of root

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH v4 1/2] Move handling of sysv initscripts to a generator

2014-07-04 Thread Colin Guthrie
this is no longer true and that units are generated for sysv scripts even when native units exist already on disk? If so, I'd suggest that that is a bug, but can you confirm this is the behaviour you've observed? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job

Re: [systemd-devel] file-hierarchy. user persistent data dir.

2014-07-04 Thread Colin Guthrie
' directory layouts, so this be handled carefully). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd fails to get DHCPv4 lease with disabled IPv6

2014-07-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
, long time, should we avoid using the term both generally? Perhaps all is better? I mean I'm not expecting IPv8 any time soon, but then people thought two digits was enough space to represent the date too :p Hardly the biggest issue in the world tho' :) Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] units: make ExecStopPost action part of ExecStart

2014-07-08 Thread Colin Guthrie
natively by ExecStart, so it's wrapped in bash. Not ideal, but such is life. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] sysusers: allow overrides in /etc and /run

2014-07-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
and the like) it might be something an administrator would want to override. That said, AFAIK, there is no way to override this current with rpm scripts, so I wonder if this is really something to bother supporting ongoing. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] sysusers: allow overrides in /etc and /run

2014-07-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Tobias Geerinckx-Rice at 10/07/14 15:53 did gyre and gimble: On 10 July 2014 13:41, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 10/07/14 13:51 did gyre and gimble: An administrator might want to block a certain sysusers config

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] sysusers: allow overrides in /etc and /run

2014-07-11 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek at 10/07/14 17:58 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 04:18:15PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: I don't use RPM, but having your system's user policy consist of running useradd in a pre-installation script seems... sub-optimal

[systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
the same check at runtime If I cook up a patch will that be accepted? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 20/07/14 22:31 did gyre and gimble: Those defaults could be set from a compile time check of login.defs too. FWIW, at least here, /etc/login.defs is not readable by regular users so any build system that builds as non-root won't even get those defaults anyway

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Reindl Harald at 20/07/14 22:52 did gyre and gimble: Am 20.07.2014 23:38, schrieb Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 20/07/14 22:31 did gyre and gimble: Those defaults could be set from a compile time check of login.defs too. FWIW, at least here, /etc

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
#n84 [2] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/shadow-utils.git/commit/shadow-utils.login.defs?id=5d7612da5b7be0c7ce8bad72c4d69a8f347696db -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
to add to accountsservice too. I guess it's OK to do this kind of user lookup stuff from the journal code (i.e. server_fix_perms())? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 23/07/14 11:29 did gyre and gimble: If there was a /usr/share/factory/etc/login.defs with e.g. 500 boundary point, then this file would presumably be copied in by tmpfiles to populate /etc/login.defs Of course one thing that makes this argument slightly

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-23 Thread Colin Guthrie
of a factory version of login.defs it should really be setup with the same defaults that systemd has compiled in anyway. So again, this is just furthering the argument that we *should* read /etc/login.defs at runtime and the bootstrapping argument for not doing so is not really valid. Col -- Colin

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] syslog: apply requested datagram size before sysctl

2014-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
run sysctl for whatever reason (not that I could think why, unless it fails when proc is ro or such like - not checked) Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
are still expected to be around for a while... perhaps this is considered legacy too these days (not sure what the replacement would be tho'!)? Sorry if this thread is getting a bit annoying, but I am convinced by most of the arguments now! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http

Re: [systemd-devel] sysusers and login.defs checks

2014-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
Colin Guthrie wrote on 24/07/14 13:32: If direct parsing is NAKed perhaps it could just shell out to a systemd-sysusers-getnewuserdetails command which spat out a uid:gid pair (and took an optional --system argument), that way the parsing logic only needs to live in one place. This bit

Re: [systemd-devel] [systemd-commits] factory/etc

2014-07-28 Thread Colin Guthrie
for the other names returned by myhostname. Seems sensible to me but will be interested to hear if there is a counter argument. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http

Re: [systemd-devel] Support for pre-restart check

2014-07-30 Thread Colin Guthrie
to find yourself in (relying on a running service not crashng!), this at least helps avoid nasty consequences for the most part while you work to fix things. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source

Re: [systemd-devel] Work on adding polkit support to systemd1

2014-08-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
not have any circular dep problems. Perhaps things have moved on from the old days, or maybe I picked this up wrong in the first place and this is not a concern. Col. -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open

Re: [systemd-devel] Work on adding polkit support to systemd1

2014-08-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
Stef Walter wrote on 06/08/14 13:44: On 06.08.2014 14:23, Colin Guthrie wrote: Stef Walter wrote on 06/08/14 12:23: I've done initial work on adding polkit support to systemd1 DBus methods. Hmmm, I thought this was deliberately not included as it meant a circular dep on polkit when

Re: [systemd-devel] Missing forked processes in 'systemctl status'

2014-08-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
stuff itself, forking processes etc. In my case the wpa_supplicant process not shown by systemctl status network but it WAS running and in the appropriate cgroup. I kinda forgot about this quirk when I fixed the initscript problem, so good to see it wasn't just me! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] core: collapse JOB_RELOAD on an inactive unit into JOB_NOP

2014-08-18 Thread Colin Guthrie
and seems to be fine for our uses. In my head not blocking seems safer than ignoring deps, but I can understand the desire for the service to be ready after the operation is complete... anyway in the places where this was needed for us it didn't seem to matter in practice. Cheers Col -- Colin Guthrie

Re: [systemd-devel] Link down for systemd articles

2014-08-18 Thread Colin Guthrie
server onto more official infrastructure. Not that I'm personally able to volunteer right at this moment, but perhaps if you approve and put the call out some kind souls might oblige! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http

Re: [systemd-devel] Logind error - Failed to abandon session scope: Connection reset

2014-08-19 Thread Colin Guthrie
', but be prepared for adapting your side as it progresses! :) That said, unless you are really interested in this solution for other reasons, it seems like rather large hammer to crack this particular walnut! Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited

Re: [systemd-devel] start / stop daemon

2014-08-19 Thread Colin Guthrie
via systemctl... could be wrong tho'. Anyway, the long and short of it is, that there is a lot already in systemd related to this, so in theory it shouldn't be too hard to integrate support, but I don't think there is something that does this exactly at present. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 216

2014-08-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
. Good to know as I was just thinking about this stuff over the last few days. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] Shutdown notify

2014-08-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
need in this case? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 216

2014-08-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
... I can hunt it down more specifically but no relevant commit message mentioned debug so I figured I'd ask first and check if this is an intentional change. Cheers Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 216

2014-08-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
Lennart Poettering wrote on 20/08/14 23:17: On Wed, 20.08.14 20:43, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote on 20/08/14 01:59: Heya! This is a major new release. Among many other changes systemd-resolved is now a pretty complete caching DNS and LLMNR stub

[systemd-devel] systemctl preset and chkconfig

2014-08-22 Thread Colin Guthrie
. But before I work on a solution, would upstream be interested in preset supporting chkconfig? If not, it's probably quicker and easier for me to do the work and maintain it in scripts rather than systemctl itself, hence why I figured I'd ask first. Cheers Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane

Re: [systemd-devel] systemctl preset and chkconfig

2014-08-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
Lennart Poettering wrote on 26/08/14 02:19: On Fri, 22.08.14 15:51, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote: Hi, I recently changed my %post scripts in Mageia to use systemctl preset rather than systemctl enable to allow for policy-based overrides of enable on install behaviour. Sadly

Re: [systemd-devel] runtime directories for services vs. tmpfiles

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
for both. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] runtime directories for services vs. tmpfiles

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
(and if you have no preference as to the name, that you can use the one I already use ;) Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker

Re: [systemd-devel] runtime directories for services vs. tmpfiles

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble: Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you? Sure, seems close enough :) I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change in syntax isn't a problem. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane

Re: [systemd-devel] runtime directories for services vs. tmpfiles

2013-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
at the time Misc (and I've seen you twice in person since then too!!) Patches here. Can't check if it's upstream yet as rpmlint.zarb.org is down for now... http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpmlint/current/SOURCES/ Col -- Colin Guthrie colin(at)mageia.org http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day

Re: [systemd-devel] udev/systemd/pulseaudio/lirc please improve hotplugging

2013-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org

Re: [systemd-devel] /etc/systemd/system/darkice.service

2013-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
this smells like something you should trigger via a udev rule instead. Certainly the starting of it (you can specify SYSTEMD_UNIT= to make it start a unit on hotplug). Not sure how you'd handle the killing of it (unless the SYSTEMD_UNIT property magically stops it too?) Col -- Colin Guthrie

Re: [systemd-devel] I caught a something wrong when I analyzed a systemd on my board by systemd-analyze plot

2013-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
happily before this has happened. The system is still booting but I can login happily. Does explain your confusion? Perhaps posting a link to your plot svg would be useful? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd shutdown vs ostree

2013-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
back. See the thread: x-initrd.mount + shutdown umount logic question http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/11210 In my case it was pretty much a cosmetic issue but you want a harder exclusion I think... Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] I caught a something wrong when I analyzed a systemd on my board by systemd-analyze plot (Colin Guthrie)

2013-07-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
for explaing my situation more clear. Thanks Tony Seo -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop ConditionCapability=CAP_MKNOD from *udev* units

2013-07-25 Thread Colin Guthrie
these days. Perhaps the ConditionVirtualization may be the more appropriate one again these days? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker

Re: [systemd-devel] /etc/systemd/system/darkice.service

2013-07-25 Thread Colin Guthrie
does this mean for me, a Developer? section on this page which basically says exactly this: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ Hope this explains it to you a little. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited

Re: [systemd-devel] Does systemd have points to spend many times to complete its process?

2013-07-25 Thread Colin Guthrie
. I need a clear knowledge about transaction stage. I read a manpage which introduces a few contents of transaction, but I would like to get more information about it. Again, I don't really know what you are asking here... Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie

Re: [systemd-devel] [IDEA] systemd as basis for HA clusters

2013-07-25 Thread Colin Guthrie
the status of the respective service on all machines? Not sure if it's a walk as such, but the outcome is exactly that yes. I've not used clustat and such for a while tho', so am a bit rusty. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] man: Add a note about what environment variables are available by default.

2013-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java services which required JAVA_HOME to be set. --- man/systemd.exec.xml | 7 +++ 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+) diff --git a/man/systemd.exec.xml b/man/systemd.exec.xml index c0e1d86..b78f255 100644 ---

[systemd-devel] [PATCHv2] man: Add a note about what environment variables are available by default.

2013-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java services which required JAVA_HOME to be set. --- v2 Change the word set to inherited (from PID1) for clarity as to their default values. man/systemd.exec.xml | 8 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+) diff --git

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] man: Add a note about what environment variables are available by default.

2013-07-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 26/07/13 11:03 did gyre and gimble: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Colin Guthrie co...@mageia.org wrote: This question was asked by a user trying to debug a problem with Java services

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd.mount questions

2013-07-29 Thread Colin Guthrie
the kernel. So there is no option for this because there is no need. All the best Col -- Colin Guthrie colin(at)mageia.org http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fstab-generator: introduce rd.weak_sysroot to bypass failures in sysroot.mount

2013-07-30 Thread Colin Guthrie
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Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fstab-generator: introduce rd.weak_sysroot to bypass failures in sysroot.mount

2013-07-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
the logic needed at runtime if/when it's called would be better. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac

Re: [systemd-devel] macros in systemd unit files question

2013-07-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
in the other. Mount units have to be named specially after their mount points, so be careful there e.g. if the mount point is /mnt/mymountpoint then the unit should be called mnt-mymountpoint.mount Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fstab-generator: introduce rd.weak_sysroot to bypass failures in sysroot.mount

2013-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
for it like it would for other mounts... Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fstab-generator: introduce rd.weak_sysroot to bypass failures in sysroot.mount

2013-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
be that the / mountpoint is handled more specially in systemd tho' (I've not looked at the code that closely). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org

Re: [systemd-devel] macros in systemd unit files question

2013-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and lux-integ at 01/08/13 11:53 did gyre and gimble: On Wednesday 31 July 2013 14:36:25 Colin Guthrie wrote: Mount units have to be named specially after their mount points, so be careful there e.g. if the mount point is /mnt/mymountpoint then the unit should be called mnt

Re: [systemd-devel] macros in systemd unit files question

2013-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
as with sysvinit - just set the options in fstab. Or if you don't want an fstab then set the options in the -.mount unit instead. The systemd-remount-fs.service will then basically be a no-op if the options don't change. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day

Re: [systemd-devel] guidance on how to get systemd to function

2013-08-02 Thread Colin Guthrie
/ (and /etc/rc?.d/) will be processed and the scripts there in automatically converted to units in /run/systemd/system/ if sysvinit support is complied into systemd. If such support is not compiled in, it will indeed be ignored as Tom said. /etc/inittab will always be ignored. Col -- Colin

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/3] install: don't allow to enable/disable templates

2013-08-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
Restart=always in the unit, it kept going and going and going... Not the nicest experience. Surely if you try and start a template unit without any instance it should simply fail rather than default to the unit name? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/3] install: don't allow to enable/disable templates

2013-08-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 09/08/13 12:02 did gyre and gimble: 'Twas brillig, and Tom Gundersen at 08/08/13 18:08 did gyre and gimble: On 8 Aug 2013 17:57, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org mailto:tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 08.08.2013 15:19, schrieb Michal Sekletar: Calling

Re: [systemd-devel] Question on debugging getty 'runlevel 3' issue.

2013-08-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ben Greear at 20/08/13 22:46 did gyre and gimble: Does anyone know what package or thing was doing the text prompt on the serial console? It happens automatically based on kernel command line params as far as I know... Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http

Re: [systemd-devel] prevent unmount of single partitions on shutdown

2013-08-21 Thread Colin Guthrie
or any mount options to check... See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/11210 and more recently http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/12048 for similar topics. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job

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