Some people on this list need to lighten up. Some people are way too stuffy
and proper. Even serious media outlets sometimes fail to provide anying new
or interesting as they rehash old stories and ideas. Stop pretending the
list is god.
Alan
the same thing would be tasteless. In fact this listserv has gone the way
of the Dodo since I first signed on in 1996 when actual college runners
*shock* frequented the list.
Alan
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And even so, a productive forum has civil
but if the statement comes down to he ran fast, so he must be on drugs
then these type of statements have two problems. First, they border on
libel, which may expose the writer to legal actions.
It doesn't boil down to he ran fast, so he must be on drugs. Do I have
proof that he or anyone
This is not 1954. HUGE difference in training between now and then. HUGE
difference in tracks between now and then. HUGE difference between mindset
between now and then.
Alan
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To: 'John Molvar' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Alan
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H...apparently I've been trumped. I'll go back to my cave now.
Alan
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there are
major training breakthroughs (late 60s) or very gifted individuals (Peters,
Clayton, KK) who break the record multiple times. What I don't buy is the
record being broken by a different person every year or every week.
Alan
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PM 10/14/2003 +, alan tobin wrote:
You need to realize that the current men's marathon WR is still
quite weak, and should be well under 2:04 to be equivalent to the classic
distances WRs. Even Tergat's half marathon record is better than his
marathon.
I friggin hate assumptions like
Can you blame me for being suspicious? A negative split sub 2:06 in his
DEBUT. I don't like the taste of that kool-aid.
Alan
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How about KK? Sure he hasn't touched a track race in a long while, but I'm
sure he could take down a few of his PRs if he chose to do so.
Alan
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When a runner I barely heard of runs his first ever marathon 8 seconds off a
record that was just broke I start to wonder. 27:30 10k 2:05:50 marathon.
Call me a pessimist if you want. Icing on the cake would be if he's a part
of Dr. Rosa's camp. Anyone know?
Alan
From: Richard McCann [EMAIL
Oct 2003 06:26:33.0444 (UTC)
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But, I guess that proves something. If a guy will give his left and right
ones for $2500, surely
he'll dope up for $60,000.
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Alan Tobin wrote:
That is pretty freaked up Malmo. I would give my left and right
it took to win major
events in the future and a 1:40 was just around the corner. Instead, 1:44
can still win most events.
Paul
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an
idiot would get caught. The problem is that the penalty for being caught
with steroids is more than just a 2 year ban as it is a federal offense.
Alan
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USA
teams and more money to be won at races yet we still fail to succeed in the
depth we did 20 years ago when Boston Billy was working 40 hours a week and
running 2:09
Alan
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Sprinters and throwers are dirtier than distance runners.
Probably true in the United States.
If American distance runners are doping, they ought to sue
their pharmacist for malpractice.
RT
Also, it goes back to my original statement about the lack of top level US
distance runners. In the world
The original question was too inclusive. I said as a broad statement that in
order to win a major championship you must be doped. That statement is
likely wrong, but the general idea remains the same. I'm sure there are a
couple athletes out there who are winning and not doped, but they are not
. It just
makes it easier to accept when the ax comes crashing down. Carl freakin
Lewis was dirty for christs sakes. Isn't he the saint of US track and field?
Alan
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No one is saying you have cheat to be good. You only have to cheat to win.
Big difference.
Alan
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if you still at the front door.
Alan
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John has come to believe that [EPO] invaded our sport through Rosa and
his
Kenyans I have no idea.
Interestingly, a persuasive defense of Rosa and his operation is
inadvertently offered by Alan Tobin (August 28), who compares the doctor's
success with
the Kenyans and the Americans he has coached
day followed by a tempo the next and
fartleks on the 3rd. I thought I was being over-trained. Turns out I was
just a wimp.
M
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:36:05
, you're not doing 10x200 correctly. I'll
never forget the 12x200 in 25 I did on the indoor track at Columbia. Damn
thing nearly killed me.
M
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003
Mike. I've done both. Less recovery is MUCH harder. You might run it like a
fartlek, but the way I ran it was 200 meters in around :32 100 meters slow
slow jog. The workout with 200 meter recover was 200 meters in about :28-30
with 200 meters slow slow jog. My best 200 is a flying start high
Mike, a lot of Americans are doing this. Check out Rod Dehaven's log:
www.allsportrunning.com/rodscorner. Check out the Hanson's Runners and
their training: http://www.hansons-running.com/ecom/sp/cat=Training+Log I
don't think it has been shown anywhere that the top US runners are running a
Can I join the betting pool?
When someone closes in :25 or 12:57 it has little to do with pure speed.
It's all about slowing down the least. Let's say a normal elite runner can
run a 10k race going through the 5k mark 5% slower than his/her all out 5k.
How would you train in order to drop that
Drugs and our sport:
If drug scandal's have taken fans away from this sport it is because we let
them. Pro baseball, football, etc don't have drug scandals (aside from the
recreational use of cocaine) because the governing bodies simply don't care
what their athletes are on as long as money
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