t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

2003-11-15 Thread Stella Franci
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Games opened to transsexual athletes

November 15, 2003

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Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

2003-11-15 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Won't some of the drug tests be skewed?

Wayne T. Armbrust wrote:

 This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness.  A male to
 female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy,
 will still have much higher strength indexes than women.  Can the IOC
 cram this down the throat of the IAAF?




RE: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

2003-11-15 Thread P.F.Talbot

Also, wasn't gender testing stopped years ago?

I suppose the ultimate political correctness would be to eliminate separate
male and female events.


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Won't some of the drug tests be skewed?

Wayne T. Armbrust wrote:

 This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness.  A male to
 female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy,
 will still have much higher strength indexes than women.  Can the IOC
 cram this down the throat of the IAAF?






Re: t-and-f: Oregon coach claims sex bias

2003-11-15 Thread tafnut
If she was paid less than comparible assistants, then she has a good claim regarding 
past compensation; however, she probably should lose her claim on losing out on the 
weight event coach position based on Lance's longer, better, and more current athletic 
career.

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Former Oregon coach and national javelin champion
claims she got a raw deal when Lance Deal was named
throws coach for the recently combined men's and women's 
track program.

full story at:

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2003/11/13/a1.sp.sallyharmoncase.1113.html

   Jim Tysell



Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

2003-11-15 Thread koala
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:42:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are you a doctor?

Yes, as a matter of fact Wayne IS a doctor!

Let the medical experts decide.  Open your mind a bit: if the
experts say they will be competing on a equal footing, then
we should trust they have the best of the Olympic movement
in mind which means that everyone should have the
opportunity to compete.

People have to earn my trust- I don't give it away.
And lately the IOC isn't exactly on a hot streak of proving that
they have ANYBODY'S best interest in mind except their own
wallet and political power.

which means that everyone should have the opportunity to
compete.

Hey that means I can compete next year in Atlanta too, at
age 47!  After all you don't want politically incorrect age discrimination
do you?  Or discrimination against the fitness-challenged?
No, let EVERYONE compete.  Just give everybody world wide
the same day off every four years, to go out to the nearest track,
and call it an 'everybody participates' Olympics.

This is garbage and you know it.

Life is full of choices.  If Michael Johnson chose to have somebody
chop off his Johnson, he could no longer compete as MJ.
..h

RT




Re: t-and-f: Oregon coach claims sex bias

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Kaplan
Also, notice that they didn't really specify if the comparable
assistants were in different sports.  My guess is the assistant track
coaches aren't getting free cars and double her salary.  Football, quite
likely.  Apples and oranges, though.

Dan

--- tafnut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If she was paid less than comparible assistants, then she has a good
 claim regarding past compensation; however, she probably should lose her
 claim on losing out on the weight event coach position based on Lance's
 longer, better, and more current athletic career.
 
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 Sent: Nov 13, 2003 10:20 PM
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 Subject: t-and-f: Oregon coach claims sex bias
 
 Former Oregon coach and national javelin champion
 claims she got a raw deal when Lance Deal was named
 throws coach for the recently combined men's and women's 
 track program.
 
 full story at:
 

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2003/11/13/a1.sp.sallyharmoncase.1113.html
 
Jim Tysell
 


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Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

2003-11-15 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Do you have a name?  If so, use it.

tafnut wrote:

Are you a doctor?  Let the medical experts decide.  Open your mind a bit: if the experts say they will be competing on a equal footing, then we should trust they have the best of the Olympic movement in mind which means that everyone should have the opportunity to compete.

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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes
This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness.  A male to 
female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy, 
will still have much higher strength indexes than women.  Can the IOC 
cram this down the throat of the IAAF?

Stella Franci wrote:

 

Dear Track  Field,

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Games opened to transsexual athletes

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