With the Baumann, Richardson, Ottey, and Walker nandroline
busts being overturned...
The cheaters have already thought of ganking up using
easy-to-spot, plain old nandroline, and keeping all those
dietary supplements around the house so when the nandro
shows up in a test, they can claim the
I'm in the process of installing all the bazillions (how's that for
accuracy?) of pictures I took at the Trials.
I certainly don't claim to be a professional photographer but I did have the
chance to be on the infield quite a bit for some up-close and personal
pictures.
I'll be finishing the
This is directed toward people who are aware of how
athletes that are not citizens of the U.S. are chosen for
the Olympic games.
Now that the members on this list who are not Americans
have had to endure hundreds and hundreds of messages on the
U.S. Olympic Trials, there hasn't been a lot of
Track Listers RRW Subscribers,
The June edition of ATHLETICS pointed out that Emily Kroshus set a Canadian
national junior record over 5000m at the Mt. SAC Relays on 14-Apr-2000.
Kroshus, who was born 02-Feb-1983 and hails from Alberta, ran 15:56.56,
finishing 11th in the invitational section.
According to today's Los Angeles Times,
Michael Johnson, who bowed out of the U.S.
Olympic trials because of a severe leg
cramp during the 200-meter final, is backing
off statements he would never run the
distance again. His coach, Clyde Hart, also
chimed in, saying Johnson
Sub4 wrote:
It appears to be the fact that Michael is
injury prone when racing at his
200m pace or faster. Thats why he has retired
from the 2.
Anyone who has ever attempted to reach their full
potential in any sporting event has made
themselves prone to injury. Ray Appenmier (sp)
did
Alan Webb and his coach Scott Raczko were at the Olympic Trials this past
week.
Speaking of his favorite moments at the Trials he said, "Gabe Jennings and
Michael Stember were really impressive in the 1500. They both ran smart
races. I give a lot of credit to coach Lananna. Their performances
In a message dated 7/26/2000 9:58:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's not been 24 years for Michael, but the world record holder's
perception as 'the one to beat' just isn't there any more.
Obviously the young whippersnappers like Capel don't respect him
any more than any other competitor.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:03:06 EDT, you wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/2000 8:28:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mike, it that is so, why are you so afraid of him
and others that you have vowed to never run a 200
again?
It appears to be the fact that Michael is injury prone when racing at
If you can't get it up for 1 meet every 4 years stay at home, you don't deserve
to go. If you can't handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Trials how are you
going to handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Olympics? There's dozens of
athletes in your event that have worked just as hard as you
Dan (out running somewhere, 2000) said:
19.32...nough said
Excuse me .. Ran it one time .. 4 years ago .. Never again has come anywhere
near remotely close.. Just as he has said no one else has come close
therefore they should not consider themselves in that class .. So since he
can't come
If Mike had been capable of running faster than 19.84 he would have .. Mike
did not finish the race .. Therefore he could not run 19.84 or any time
remotely close to that .. Speculation is moot .. The times and order of
finish at the Trials were:
1. 19.84 John Capel
2. 19.88 Floyd Heard
3.
--- Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan (out running somewhere, 2000) said:
19.32...nough said
Excuse me .. Ran it one time .. 4 years ago ..
Never again has come anywhere
near remotely close.. Just as he has said no
one else has come close
therefore they should not consider
Didn't know world records could expire before they were
broken.
D
"learn something new everyday"
John Molvar wrote:
19.32...nough said
Not enough said. That was then, this is now. We
already know Mike was the best in '96. We want
to know who is the best now.
Apparently Mike has forgotten a lot .. He has forgotten his early years when
he wanted to be #1 in the event and he wanted to knock off those who had won
and done what he wanted to do .. He has forgotten the disdain he had for
those who once said he was brash and talked too much and didn't have
it's not the world records that expire, it's the athletes that
expire. from 1995-1998 would you really call Seb Coe the current best
800m or Wilson Kipketer? or better yet, in 1997 would you call Morceli
the current best miler or ElG?
Joel
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:48:25 +
From:
John Molvar wrote, among other things:
No Mike, it is not silly, it is serious
competition and everyone wants to knock you off.
It's called competition and it is not silly. The
only silly thing is that someone with your talent
and accomplishments is afraid.
This and the other messages
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_851000/851222.stm
The issues surrounding drug testing of athletes are
becoming ever more clouded after new developments involving British pair Mark
Richardson and Dougie Walker along with Jamaican veteran Merlene Ottey.
We asked BBC
You know what you have a right to your opinion, but I still believe that
michael can run that time again, if doing so really mattered to him at this
point in his career. There is a difference between having the capacity to do
something and the desire to do something, which I think you are
I don't think anyone on this list is naive as to the financial road that
track and field has taken .. I felt all along that Michael had the most to
lose of ANY athlete coming into the Trials .. Because he more than anyone
else had the potential to lose his mantle of invincibility .. And that
TrackMeets.com continues the live webcast of the USA Track and Field
Junior Olympics from Buffalo, NY. Surfers can choose amongst four streams:
1 Mbps track stream, 500 kbps track stream, 500 kbps field stream and
28 kbps stadium announcer audio stream.
With 6,700 athletes competing, this is
Shawn Devereaux, in an oft-repeated theme of this thread, wrote:
If you can't get it up for 1 meet every 4 years stay at home, you don't deserve
to go. If you can't handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Trials how are you
going to handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Olympics?
I haven't
Exactly .. And why is it so hard for people to admit that he is indeed human
??
Conway Hill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Micheal Johnson
So
Doctor Jabbour is doing a wonderful job as I am next door in the announcer's
booth to his operation. I hope more meets not on TV are on his website in
the future. One point, however. The Junior Olympics are arguably the world's
largest championship meet, but is much smaller than the Penn Relays,
Does anyone have a website, e-mail address or
phone number for the National Distance
Running Hall of Fame in Utica NY.
Thanks,
Dan Doherty
John Molvar was immediately DQ'd for writing:
If Mike can't run the 200 without getting hurt,
then he should not run it. However, he must
immediately reliquish his claim of being the best
at 200 meters. How can you be the best if you
can't even compete at the distance?!!! You want
to hear
--- Dalton Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes it is my opinion that he still can run a 19.32 OR BETTER when
healthy, but it is also your opinion that the fact that he has not run
as fast is because he no longer has the capacity to do so. Now you cite
his races since the 19.32 as proof of
OK, how many people out there really think either one of those guys was
really hurt?
I find it interesting that pretty much all of the back and forth on both
sides of the MJ/Mo discussion assume the pull-ups were legit.
I don't think so.
MJ's acting has been well honed in this his third such
--- Ed Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not in favor of the two day format (not that my
opinion will have any impact!) but I don't agree
with this criticism. If you removed the first
place person in every event from the trials, you'd
still have a great meet.
It may be a great
In a message dated 7/26/0 12:44:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oe Henderson reported in RUNNING COMMENTARY that 1964 Olympic gold medalist
at 5000m, Bob Schull of the U.S., has his own website:
http://www.bobschull.com
The correct address is www.bobschul.com (only one l)
Walt Murphy
Why is it so hard for MICHAEL to admit that he is human?
Exactly .. And why is it so hard for people to admit that he is
indeed human
??
Conway Hill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July
Perhaps the idiocy lies in the inability to understand the comparison ..
While Powell continued to be great he was NOT able to approach his WR ..
Neither was Beamon or Young .. And it will be years and years before anyone
is able to approach Johnson's record .. It is THAT good .. So good in fact
Nobody (or not many people) question that Michael Johnson may be the greatest 200m
sprinter ever, as
the statistics shown below indeed support.
but...
SO WHAT? !!!
Carl Lewis MIGHT be considered the greatest 100m sprinter ever, using similar
statistical support.
He was still active in '96 in a
Just because at some time in the historical past you
set what remains as the world record does NOT mean that
you remain the best currently active 200m runner.
Big meets don't let you toe the starting line, open
your resume and show it, and they just hand you the
gold medal.
It must be continually
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, R.T. wrote:
True had planned on competing in the U.S. trials, but decided that the
guarantee of Olympic participation was too good of an experience to pass
up and agreed to take the Liberian spot.
Competing at the U.S. Trials doesn't preclude subsequently taking
a place
Ya know, I always root for the underdogs who didn't have a shot of making the team
prior to the trials and don't really concern myself too much when the big dogs fall
by the wayside, so I really like the US format. I also really like the idea of 4+
years of hard work resting on as little as
Actually, the more I think about it the more I wonder why track, alone among
stadium sports, has developed the social requirement of staying seated
during all the action. I've always gone along with it out of a sense of not
wanting to violate rules of etiquette, but it would be unthinkable
Roger Ruth wrote:
The one-trial, make-or-break format may be the best choice for avoiding
endless political maneuvering.
In the US this is no small matter. In today's LA times there is a lengthy
article about appeals, lawsuits, etc. of a disappointed veteran who did not
get named to the US
I won't speak for my fellow idiots, but this
idiot (me) would never question any of Mike's
PAST achievements at 200 meters. My only point
was that if Mike cannot run anymore 200s due to
the high risk of injury/financial
concerns/fear/lack of interest, etc., he must
immediately relinquish his
Actually, Hintnaus made the '80 US OG Team for what that's worth. I don't
know if he competed in the '80 OG though, but if he did, the boycott probably
pissed him off enough to jump for Brazil.
s.devereaux
"R.T." wrote:
True had planned on competing in the U.S. trials, but decided that the
This is all well and good .. And it is all fact .. And it is all HISTORICAL
with respect to the 200 meters .. Even going through your list of
accomplishments he has done nothing of significance in the 200 past Atlanta
in 1996 .. You only serve to prove the point that many have been making ..
No
Just got back from the Stanford meet. Finishing sixth in the men's
1500...the one...the only...Eric Nedeausp with a time of 3:46.96...gosh
darnit...he just missed that Olympic Trials standard
On another note...Stember and company are going after the Oly Standard this
Saturday...Meet
Michael Johnson is the greatest
200/400 sprinter in history .. Hands down .. He has won the World Championships
at both distances .. He won the 200/400 double in the 96 Olympics (only man to
do so) .. He holds the World Records in both distances with incredible times of
19.32 and 43.18 ..
--- Dan Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a website, e-mail address or phone number for the
National Distance Running Hall of Fame in Utica NY.
http://www.distancerunning.com/
Dan
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In Canada as far as I know athletes must reach the set Canadian Olympic
standard and then also come come top two at the Olympic Trials. The coming
in top two does not guarantee a spot on the team unless the standard is
achieved.
Now that the members on this list who are not Americans
have
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