t-and-f: Suzy revisited

In a message dated 10/12/00 6:15:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MaggieMaePup writes: Just wanted to respond to your note below. I have just three questions for you: 1. Since when does a 3:57 1,500 meters equal mediocrity? 2. Who was the so called tarot card reading "distance

RE: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview

At least she finally admitted she has a head problem. Maybe some of you big Suzy fans can get off of the excuses and get on the same page as her. --Original Message-- From: David Monti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 12, 2000 6:32:33 PM GMT Subject: t-and-f: Suzy

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly (ie a Silver or Bronze or a 5th place) which are all better then falling down or finishing lower because you made some other mistake. No one could

t-and-f: Re: Credit where credit is due

Listers: The comments floating around my house after the marathon echoed those below. All said below is true and noteworthy. Plus, this was an athlete who had to suffer during the months after the trials the resentment of the running community (including sponsors apparently: does she have one?)

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

At 01:27 AM 10/13/00 -0400, Willy Beaman wrote: Truth: Suzy is not the star she has been billed to be. She has continually faltered in the heat. And yes, she did fall at Pre, the only difference was she fell across the finish line after relinquishing 30m in 50m. As Al Gore is learning, if you

t-and-f: Hello

I hear you have been looking for me. Give me one more week, and I promise to be my old onery self. And I know I have been missed. =) Darrell

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Willy writes: No one could have stated this point any better. That bronze sure would have looked nice on the neck of Suzy, the same way those bronzes looked good on the 4x100m. Falling deprived the world, not to mention Suzy herself. Well, I guess Steve Prefontaine really is dead - dead and

t-and-f: Kournikova

Kournikova has not done very well in any of the four major tournaments, nor has she in any of the minor ones either. Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston. Internationally, she has done less than Joetta Clark, Jearl Clark, and far less than Henry Marsh, but she is the one tauted at

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

1.Try running a touch 1500m when you're dehydrated sometime. 2.Her fall had nothing to do with anybody being around her. She wasn't tripped; she collapsed, due to dehydration. She collapsed again after dragging herself across the finish line. 3.It is a pattern when you're dehydrated and

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Other than Kurt Bray's mention of Pre and the "go for gold" mentality, I'm surprised no one else has mentioned a similarity that addresses the collapsing syndrome -- pretty much all the race footage I have seen of Pre shows him very wobbly legged and near collapsing at the end, and he had a

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/12/00 2:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly (ie a Silver or Bronze or a 5th

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. it is not your PR that counts in the track and field business when it comes to your label as a competitor. How many major finals has she been in? How does she compete in international meetings outside of Oregon and her PR race in Oslo? Suzy had a poor record in

t-and-f: Marathon info

List, Looking for a list of marathons in the US and abroad from 1/1 - Boston. Contact names, dates and websites would be great. Also, if anyone has info on female world qualifying procedures when they become available, I'd appreciate seeing those as well. Am I right in my assumption that

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, she did fall at Pre, the only difference was she fell across the finish line after relinquishing 30m in 50m. "the only difference" Well, there's a rather large difference between falling with 90m to go and falling after the finish of a 4:00+change 15. BTW,

t-and-f: throwing shoes

I am looking for a size 18 throwing shoes. I don't care about model or brand anything a size 18. If anyone knows of a pair I would appreciate them contacting me. Thanks, Mark Bilyk Asst. Track Coach Cornell University [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: suzy in peace

Why don't we let Suzy fall in peace and move on!

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Doesn't this post finally say that we have carried the discussion too far? John Lunn "P. N. Heidenstrom" wrote: In trying to explain Suzy Hamilton's fall in the 1500 at the Sudney Olympics, someone suggested: Apply Ocham's Razor, which states that in nature the simplest

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

At 01:32 AM 10/13/2000 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/12/00 2:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly (ie a

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.Try running a touch 1500m when you're dehydrated sometime. 2.Her fall had nothing to do with anybody being around her. She wasn't tripped; she collapsed, due to dehydration. She collapsed again after dragging herself across the finish line. 3.It is a pattern

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

In a message dated 10/13/2000 1:20:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, some might say that he, too, got more acclaim than his performances might merit... Dan At the expense of Schul and Dellinger, who should be more acclaimed. Mike Platt

t-and-f: Pre

I have so far stayed out of this dumb speculation on Suzy F-H ... as it is clear from looking at video and still photos that her form breaks down noticeably in the last 200m particularly of every tough race she runs. Notice this in: 1) The photo in TaFNews (November) of her 1:58 (seventh place)

t-and-f: Re: Pre

--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have so far stayed out of this dumb speculation on Suzy F-H ... Sorry Brian, but I always have to laugh when someone enters a discussion by first calling it dumb... That has been quite prevalent on the list of late, but the people saying such

RE: t-and-f: Marathon info

At the moment www.marathonguide.com seems to have the best calendar for domestic marathons in 2001 and some entries for 2001 international marathons. I would also be interested in recommendations for good international calendar sites. Many sites such as www.runnersworld.com and www.nyrrc.org have

Re: t-and-f: Suzy = Julia

Kirk Reynolds wrote: Suzy falls near the finish line in more than one race. This sounds a lot like Julia Stamps a few years ago when she was racing. Did Stamps ever give a reason either way: mental or physical? And by the way, where is she this fall? My memory of this is very hazy, but I

RE: t-and-f: Marathon info

--- Linda Honikman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also be interested in recommendations for good international calendar sites. One of the best resources I have seen is the Clemens Marathon Index: http://www.blue-light.nu/marathon/ Not exactly a calendar, but a good resource for further

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton William of Occam

Doesn't this post finally say that we have carried the discussion too far? John Lunn "P. N. Heidenstrom" wrote: In trying to explain Suzy Hamilton's fall in the 1500 at the Sudney Olympics, someone suggested: Apply Ocham's Razor, which states that in nature the simplest

t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

When someone wins a gold medal inthe Olyumpics in only their 8th official race, something seems terribly wrong. It is either time for the IAAF to increase the hiegth of the womens hurdles or scrap the event all together. It shouldn't be that easy to switch events and win the gold! = Gary

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

Zatopek won the marathon gold in his first official race. Should we scrap that, too? Bill Bahnfleth At 02:57 PM 10/13/00 -0700, Gary Liguori wrote: When someone wins a gold medal inthe Olyumpics in only their 8th official race, something seems terribly wrong. It is either time for the IAAF

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

That was also about half a century ago. Racing has become more specific now. Of course Zatopek also won the 5k and 10k gold that year, something that even Geb can't do. Alan From: William Bahnfleth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: William Bahnfleth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: t-and-f: Re: Pre

I don't dispute any of his splendid accomplishments, but what is it about mentioning Pre that gets people so fired up? It's precisely that defensiveness of a cultural icon that is what leads some people to think he was over rated. For both those who watched him (so I've heard) and those who

t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

From RUNNERS WORLD http://www.runnersworld.com/ (text below) Lets see, thirty wealthy, insulated, angry, white lesbians are now protesting and demanding an apology from Nike for the "Horror" TV advertisement featuring Suzy. Can't remember if Suzy was dehydrated and fell down in that ad, too.

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

In a message dated 10/13/00 7:49:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That was also about half a century ago. Racing has become more specific now. Of course Zatopek also won the 5k and 10k gold that year, something that even Geb can't do. Alan Would you be shocked

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

--- alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Zatopek also won the 5k and 10k gold that year, something that even Geb can't do. Something Geb *hasn't* done. Since he hasn't attempted it, and he would be the obvious favorite in either and probably in both, we clearly don't know he "can't"

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:47:54 GMT, you wrote: Willy writes: No one could have stated this point any better. That bronze sure would have looked nice on the neck of Suzy, the same way those bronzes looked good on the 4x100m. Falling deprived the world, not to mention Suzy herself. Well, I

t-and-f: My 10 Cents

Hi: I kept off the list during the Olympics to avoid early results. What I have read since getting back on hasn't encouraged me to jump in again! "Devers faked her injury to make money." "Suzy flopped as an athlete but not as an actor." Why should Devers fake an injury for God's sake! Up to

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

In a message dated 10/13/00 3:12:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When someone wins a gold medal inthe Olyumpics in only their 8th official race, something seems terribly wrong. It is either time for the IAAF to increase the hiegth of the womens hurdles or scrap the

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

There's an exception to every rule. How about Viren. Is '72 or '76 so long ago that it can be dismissed as not relevant, too. Aouita? wb At 11:38 PM 10/13/00 +, alan tobin wrote: That was also about half a century ago. Racing has become more specific now. Of course Zatopek also won the

RE: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

Not everybody bought the gold-or-nothing rage to begin with, but we were yelled down by the Pre-myth-worshippers. RT Only those with heart did. malmo

t-and-f: New England Collegiates - XC Results

Exciting races marked the 88th men's and 26th women's New England Intercollegiate Championships at Franklin Park. Several teams traveled to the pre-Nationals (notably Dartmouth men, BU/BC/Dartmouth/Brown women) but it was pretty much full strength from there on. The women's race came down to

Re: t-and-f: Privalova moving up?

Very shocked. Especially Geb. Tergat I can see because he has some darn good road creditials. Geb on the other hand has been all track now for quite some time. Tergat with his cross and half-marathon creditials I see as being the next marathon world record holder, probably in his 2nd or 3rd

Re: t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

And did these very same AWL's spare any of their wrath for Suzy, and her bad taste in roles, or was it just safer to pick on an easier target like Nike. Bob From: "malmo" Lets see, thirty wealthy, insulated, angry, white lesbians are now protesting and demanding an apology from Nike for the

t-and-f: New vendor

Hey guys. Just thought I'd let you all know about a cool new shoe vendor. It's customatix. http://www.customatix.com This is a must see. You can order customized shoes. I wore a pair todayThey are great. Try to support the "little guy" here. Schiefer PS. I have nothing to gain