RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread malmo
Rono. One of the greatest talents ever to > be sure, > but not remotely as dedicated and as hard a trainer as today's Kenyans. > sideshow Yeah, right. malmo

Re: t-and-f: Exercises for jumping events

2000-10-25 Thread Michael Rohl
netters Erin Dunham wrote: Are there any exercises that I should avoid? Yeah i can think of one. DON"T EVER RACEWALK! You'll have vertical of 2 inches in about a week:) Good Training, Michael Rohl

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread malmo
> << <<< > However, if you assume that most (or all) of the improvements to > the WR's in > the 800-1m are due to EPO over the last 8-10 years ... > >> > ..you'd be wrong. > sideshow > you'd be naive malmo

t-and-f: Exercises for jumping events

2000-10-25 Thread Erin Dunham
I was curious to know whether anyone knew of any exercises that were good for building muscle for jumping events (triple jump, long jump, and high jump.) Are there any exercises that I should avoid? You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thank you! __

Re: t-and-f: Foreign athlets, was Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Ksully330
In a message dated 10/25/00 6:33:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2 scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or ab

t-and-f: Maurice Green's Million $$ Appearance

2000-10-25 Thread FranciCash
Maurice Green's You want to be a Millionionaire Appearance resulted in his winning $125,000 half of which goes to his Charity "The United Negro College Fund". In the earlier part of the games, he was a nervous wreck. SFC

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread DLTFNedit
In a message dated Wed, 25 Oct 2000 1:47:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "P.F.Talbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There has been essentially no significant improvement in the last two decades. My only conclusion is that EPO has little effect on a distance that short. Paul >> That's your only c

t-and-f: Former USC track coach Wolfe dies at 78

2000-10-25 Thread FranciCash
Former USC track coach Wolfe dies at 78 LOS ANGELES (October 25, 2000 7:12 p.m. EDT http://www.sportserver.com) - Vern Wolfe, who guided Southern California to seven men's NCAA championships during his 22 years as coach, died Wednesday in Fallbrook, the school said. He was 78. Complete story

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread DLTFNedit
In a message dated Wed, 25 Oct 2000 4:36:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << <<< However, if you assume that most (or all) of the improvements to the WR's in the 800-1m are due to EPO over the last 8-10 years ... >>

t-and-f: Peahen alert

2000-10-25 Thread Ed Grant
Netters:     My alma mater, St. Peter''s College, has made little contributions to the international world of track and field in its (once interruped) century and a quarter of chartered existence, but we may be on the threshhold of doubling our current involvement in the elite circles o

t-and-f: Fwd: USATF NEWS & NOTES - 10/25/00

2000-10-25 Thread Paul Merca
From USATF. Paul Merca > >Contact: Tom Surber > Media Information Coordinator > USA Track & Field > 317-261-0500 x317 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.usatf.org > >USATF NEWS & NOTES >Vol. 1, Number 50 October 25, 2000 > > Greene faces "Ho

t-and-f: development

2000-10-25 Thread Hunt895WR
In a message dated 25/10/2000 7:56:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In many of the countries, there is great emphasis on > development, here, everyone wants to win; get the fastest, strongest or most > powerful, put them out on the track and/or field and have them comp

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Shawn Devereaux
How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2 scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or able to score 30-40 points per meet to get a full ride. Compared to foot

t-and-f: Pan Am Juniors 2001 - Replay of World Juniors

2000-10-25 Thread Steve Vaitones
The "biggest " international competition on the calendar for US Juniors in 2001 would likely be the Pan American Junior Match (alternates with the Worlds). The schedule I've seen has it slated for Santa Fe, Argentina October 19-21. More of the same, or time to start planning on how (or if?) t

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread Chapman, Robert
<> With EPO, you also have to take into account the recovery factor. It is a similar argument to why low level steroids would be helpful to a longer distance runner, even though gross power development is not a primary limiting factor in the event, per se. The drug enhances recovery f

t-and-f: Youth Programs

2000-10-25 Thread peter stuart
In our area of Canada track is not the major sport or even a major sport. We come somewhere after hockey, baseball, basketball and soccer. I believe that it is more popular in Ontario but not this far east. By numbers we would be lucky to be anywhere above 8th or 9th. >And I must disagree with

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
<<< There has been essentially no significant improvement in the last two decades. My only conclusion is that EPO has little effect on a distance that short. Paul >> Yes and No ... At the time (1979 and 1981) Coe's 800m records were considered far out of reach for the rest

Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)

2000-10-25 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Someone help > me with my 70's history, but I believe in the seventies we won the 100m one > time, in the 80's we won the race once, in the 90's we won the race none, and > did not medal in 96. > Didn't win the 100 at all in the 70s (Borzov and Crawford), but Lewis

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

2000-10-25 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: > > 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 > Indeed it is. I thought it surprising that, despite the Kenyan advances in > recent years, the national 800m record is 16 years old. Having said that, > it's a very very good recor

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Horace Grant
Jamaica has a strong high school tradition. They went to Santiago. Veronica Campbell ran at the Olympics, she went to Santiago. Why are people arguing that a high school tradition and World Juniors are mutually exclusive. I would have thought that they are complementary. Just a thought.

t-and-f: Chicago Marathon on TV (Bay Area interest)

2000-10-25 Thread DLTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 24 Oct 2000 8:48:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << A clubmate informed me that the Chicago Marathon will be broadcast on Fox Sports Bay Area from 12:00-3:00pm. I have no idea about the other Fox regional channels. Before setting your VCR, check

RE: t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread William Bahnfleth
Indeed. The fact that Koskei is still the fourth fastest runner over this distance and has the tenth fastest performance speaks to just how good this mark was at the time. Of the top 10 performances, Kipketer has 7 while Coe and Cruz have just one each. It is also remarkable that Coe and Cru

t-and-f: Good money?

2000-10-25 Thread Dgs1170
Good money is not defined by the salaries of the pro sports. Good money is defined by lifestyle and the economy. Good money can be made in track these days. What is done with that money is a diiferent story. The G.O.A.T.

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread curtis taylor
That is the point exactly. This is why the term "farm system" is in quotes. It is not a farm system and there is no equavalent club system and thus, the athletes do not develop fully as in other countries where the coaching is better and the support is better. --Original Message-- From: J

Re: t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread William Bahnfleth
That's why I gave the date. Here's a site that claims to have been updated on 25 Sep 00 http://www.algonet.se/~pela2/mtrack/m_800ok.htm All-time men's best 800 m 1 1.41,11Wilson KipketerDEN 70-12-121 Köln 1997-08-24 2 1.41,24Wilson Kipketer

RE: t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread Justin Clouder
Bill wrote: > According to http://www.hkkk.fi/~niininen/africa.html as of May 13, 1998 > it's > > 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 > Indeed it is. I thought it surprising that, despite the Kenyan advances in recent years, the national 800m record is 16 years

Re: t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread B. Kunnath
The site could be wrong as it also lists Morceli, Komen and Tergat as current record holders when they are not. >According to http://www.hkkk.fi/~niininen/africa.html as of May 13, 1998 > >it's > >1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 > >Bill Bahnfleth _

Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)

2000-10-25 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 10/24/00 10:06:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The US male sprinters scored Olympic sweeps of all three medals in: 100m - 1904 and 1912 200m - 1904, 1952, and 1984 400m - 1904, 1968, and 1988 The World Champs US sweeps are: 100m - 1983 and

t-and-f: MLF

2000-10-25 Thread Justin Clouder
On this comment: > I think he is soft, and it showed in his decision. His subsequent > dominance in Chile > showed me that he should have made the move to the next level. Yes, he is > > young, but I am talking attitude. I do not see the fire in him that is > needed to make it on the intern

Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread WillyBeaman
Since this discussion will not die I will chime in. The US presence at Chile was remarkable to Americans, given the general understanding of our system, and how difficult the timing was. For everyone else it is a chance to feel hopeful. I relate it to the hubbub that came up after Dwain Chamb

Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Ssd
I take offense at the statements about the Associations failing miserably with grass-roots development. In Southern California, we have well over 100 registered youth clubs and have many, many meets each year. We have a very active Youth Committee who is able to be self-sufficient financially

t-and-f: Junior Club in Aachen, Germany?

2000-10-25 Thread philip_ponebshek
I've been working with a 16-year old transfer student from Aachen who came out for XC this fall - he'd never run before (hadn't really done any organized sports, really), but has taken to it pretty well, and is at around 18:30 - 5K shape after only a couple months running. He's got decent enough

Re: t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread William Bahnfleth
According to http://www.hkkk.fi/~niininen/africa.html as of May 13, 1998 it's 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 Bill Bahnfleth At 01:18 PM 10/25/2000 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: >An odd trivia question in that it's easy to find out the answer, but >interest

Re: t-and-f: US Youngsters

2000-10-25 Thread philip_ponebshek
>Good athletes can now make good money in t&f, albeit not at the level of an >NFL wide receiver. I'd dispute this. I think that GREAT athletes can make good money in T&F - merely good athletes (and I mean good in world class sense, and not in a "relative to the general population" sense) are

t-and-f: Trivia

2000-10-25 Thread Justin Clouder
An odd trivia question in that it's easy to find out the answer, but interesting in that the answer is surprising: What is the Kenyan 800m record and who set it, when? Justin NB It's not a trick question - I'm not including Wilson Kipketer. ***

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
You can breathe a sigh of relief as this may be my last post for a while as I will be away from my computer. Peter Stuart is right that the existing programs are good programs - they are just woefully incomplete and accomplish a tiny percentage of what is needed. Part of it is that they are "com

t-and-f: More Olympic Memories

2000-10-25 Thread Justin Clouder
In no particular order Joaquim Cruz in LA 1984. Such grace and power as he left Coe in his wake. A measure of his dominance was that Coe had no complaints - he was beaten by a better man. (Cruz ran 1:41.77 later that year, which by rights should have given him a share of the WR since Coe's 1:41.

t-and-f: US Youngsters

2000-10-25 Thread Justin Clouder
Hi All The debate about the US education system is very interesting but to me the production of talented youngsters is not a problem in the US. Rather, it's keeping talented youngsters in the sport. There are two aspects to this, as I see it. First, how to keep them from other pro sports, or at

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Jay Ulfelder
On Tue, 24 October 2000, curtis taylor replied to Andrew Owusu with: > You're missing the point. The issue is not that recruitment of foreign > athletes is dragging down US track and field as opposed to those that are > lost to the "big three sports", but that our "farm system" (the NCAA)is > sp

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread peter stuart
I guess I really did miss the point. I forgot about one the the main differences between the Canadian and US systems. Up here the grass roots, or school system, is for the most part completely voluntary. All most all of the coachs have a full time job and then coach on the side (and for many this

RE: t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Mike Casey
Not so in Ireland either, Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Basketball in that order. Athletics comes some way down the list. Mike Casey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: 25 October 2000 04:23 To: posting Subject: t-an

t-and-f: Embarassment

2000-10-25 Thread Randall Northam
> Andrew Owusu wrote > US is the only country that has 3 major sports (Basketball, Football and > Baseball) of equal prestige. For the rest of the world, its probably soccer > leaving Athletics (Track and Field) as a 2nd or 3rd most favorite sport. Not so in the UK. I would argue that football (s