RE: t-and-f: Fw: direction of running

2001-04-10 Thread David Dallman
I posted something along these lines to the list about 2-3 years ago. The Fenners track at Cambridge University, which was used for competition up until about 1960 when the 400 metre track at Milton Road was built, was one where the runners went around clockwise. This may have been to optimise

t-and-f: EAA News about European championships

2001-04-10 Thread Wilmar Kortleever
Courtesy EAA, Wilmar Kortleever (lists members/owners please indicate if you do not want to receive these forwarded messages) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.6.59]) by po04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBJ4KP00.Q3P for

t-and-f: Naumburg Walking

2001-04-10 Thread Winfried Kramer
Naumburg, 8 Apr Men 20km 1. Erm 1:21:40 50km 1. Deakes AUS 3:43:43, 2. Lipiec POL 3:48:51, 3 Ginko BLR 3:50:28, 4. Liepins LAT 3:51:22, 5. Pinardo ESP 3:54:31 Women 20km 1. Seeger 1:30:52, 2. Saville AUS 1:32:10, 3. Irusta BOL 1:35:50 Winfried Kramer Kohlrodweg 12 66539

t-and-f: supplements and veggies

2001-04-10 Thread John Drew
Darrell, it is possible that you can defend the use of supplements, but not by talking about how foods have lost their nutritional value by being processed. This is a totally circular argument---foods are spoiled by chemical processing, so you want to fill your body with chemicals made by the

Re: t-and-f: Jamaican high school championships

2001-04-10 Thread Mitchell S. Clair, Esq
aren't these "children" a little old to still be in high school? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: t-and-f: Jamaican high school championships This has gone curiously

RE: t-and-f: Outside the Lines -- Supplements

2001-04-10 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
In order to get the needed amount of protein we need you have to eat a healthy amount of beef, this is not a good thing for those attempting to run 9.9 and 10.7. Beef is difficult to digest, and sits in the system. In other words, supplements are needed by all, not just athletes, and it

t-and-f: new (faster?) New York City course for 2001

2001-04-10 Thread Post, Marty
From the New York Road Runners Club: "In the first significant New York City Marathon course change in more than 10 years, race director Allan Steinfeld announced that the 2001 NYC Marathon race course will no longer enter Central Park at 102nd Street and 5th Avenue, but instead will continue on

t-and-f: A humble request for help...

2001-04-10 Thread welch suggs
Folks, A truly obscure request: once upon a time, many years ago, I had one of those old Nike posters from the 70s or early 80s (pre-Air, I think) that had the guy with the beard and the long hair running uphill along a country road, silhouetted against the camera, with the downhill in the

Re: t-and-f: supplements and veggies

2001-04-10 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 04/10/2001 6:09:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not be honest and say that what supplement users are trying to do is to artificially enhance their bodies in a way that is "legal" by the current definition of legal. If people are willing to trust

t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Dgs1170
Actually you agree with me. Your argument is full of what if's. The facts are opposite of what you write. If people ate fresh foods. If they did not eat fast foods. People do eat processed foods. They love fast foods. I will take it a step further, anyone ever travel on the European circuit?

t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread sean other
Hi Darrell, First of all I never suggested and am not suggesting that supplement users are cheats. What I am saying is that yes many many people get everything they need without using supplements. People do eat fresh foods, they love fresh foods. Yes the people who eat junk need supplements to

Re: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Conway Hill
Funny ... I started this thread because I saw the show on television and saw it as an opportunity to say that "people in the sport are not cheating" ... And that a lot of negativity that has fallen on the sport in the past couple of years may have indeed been misdirected ... But somehow we

Re: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread John Lunn
Go for it Darrell!! Conway Hill wrote: Funny ... I started this thread because I saw the show on television and saw it as an opportunity to say that "people in the sport are not cheating" ... And that a lot of negativity that has fallen on the sport in the past couple of years may have indeed

Re: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Randy Treadway
PI think we all know that athletes get much more exercise, are under much more physical stress, and place much more burden on their bodies than the average person ... As such the "average daily requirements" that the average slug American needs are going to be inadequate for a high school

Re: t-and-f: Kristiansen's 'clean' doubt

2001-04-10 Thread Mpplatt
In a message dated 4/10/01 12:59:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 7:32:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "malmo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have strong suspicians that a skinny Norwegean broad could possibly run 30:13 clean.

RE: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
CAN that additional content be obtained by eating additional organic food, or are there undesired side effects- in other words, if what you need is found in bananas, but in eating THAT many bananas you'd spend all your training time on the throne... ...well you get the idea. Anybody know? RT

RE: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If an athlete wants to take ... Creatine ... or other esoteric "supplements" not normally found in food Huh? Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Free Contests...

RE: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Michael Casey
Hi Bruce, I don't know about e but it is certainly possible to get more than enough C from food alone. Citrus fruits, Blackcurrants, Potatos (Not chipped and fried). I've researched the C one and you can quite easily get twice the rda from food. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: supplements and veggies

2001-04-10 Thread Michael Casey
Just because some people do not have a good diet and are therefore missing essential nutrients does not mean that one can not recieve, as you claimed, all the nutrition required from a healthy well balanced diet. Talk to a dietitician, talk to numerous atthletes who do not take supplements

RE: t-and-f: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Michael Casey
Hi Brian, You're right it is all about convenience. Its also about choice and healthy options. I personally would rather eat the natural foods than putting protein powder into my system. The original claim was that it was impossible for someone to get enough protein from food alone. That

RE: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
It is my understanding that it is difficult to get enough of certain vitamins such as C and E from food alone, especially for those under stress, such as highly trained athletes. Something to consider: 10,000 years ago, before SUV's roamed the earth and long before anyone had ever seen a

t-and-f: supplements, diet and soil

2001-04-10 Thread mmrohl
Netters If I may I would like to comment on the issue of supplement, soil quality and diet. Two years ago I worked operating a spectrometer for one of the two largest soil and feed testing labs in the U.S. I ran an average of 350 feed sample test per day and some 1000+ soil samples. I

t-and-f: supplements, diet and soil

2001-04-10 Thread Bruce Goodchild
I think most people chose organic produce in an effort to avoid the pesticides on "normal" produce (I know that's why I do). There is growing evidence that pesticides/herbicides are endocrine system disruptors, and may have negative effects with long term consuption. Bruce Goodchild. If I may

t-and-f: TJ phenom Yuliana Perez

2001-04-10 Thread Jon Alquist
Complete story on the U.S.A.'s newest and most surprising triple jump prospect can be accessed on the Web at : http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/10410Perezfeature.html Jon Alquist Pima's triple threat YULIANA PEREZ: FROM TUCSON TO CUBA AND BACK AGAIN Junior college record holder in triple jump

RE: t-and-f: supplements, diet and soil

2001-04-10 Thread Mike Casey
Well said michael, A few added points, even the fish oil can be got naturally by eating Mackerel, herring or other "oily" fish. Potassium can be got in abundance in your diet if you choose the right foods. My experience is that if some thought is put into your diet you can have all the

Re: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Elliott Oti
From: "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something to consider: 10,000 years ago, before SUV's roamed the earth and long before anyone had ever seen a Vitamin C tablet ... there were STILL humans walking around, and they STILL needed to have vitamins in their bodies to live and thrive.

RE: t-and-f: Kristiansen's 'clean' doubt

2001-04-10 Thread malmo
If you don't have any proof that I've EVER said she was doping (either publicly or privately) keep YOUR uninformed comments to yourself. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:47 PM

t-and-f: usatf athlete of the week

2001-04-10 Thread GHTFNedit
honor to HSI's 4x1 from Texas, with a most-notable 37.88. The release noted that the time was 0.48 off the WR, but more notable--and i don't know if anybody else mentioned it before--note that it was a mere 0.09 off the "club WR," of 37.79 set by an august Santa Monica TC bunch 10 years ago.

t-and-f: NCAA URL

2001-04-10 Thread GHTFNedit
www.ncaa.org only gets you as far as the home page; to get to the regionals story (the full story) you need to navigate a bit. Hit "all the news" under the track story on the home page. on the next page hit "news and features" on the next page hit the third item down "keeping track of the

t-and-f: huge NCAA news!

2001-04-10 Thread GHTFNedit
http://www.ncaa.org/ Regionals are here! yeah. gh

Re: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread Dgs1170
Forgive my lack of numbers, I have nutritionist for that information. But some misconceptions have to be stopped. Brian made a very good point that is being ignored, it takes a lot more food to get the same amount of protein from a drink. The people we are talking about have the best diets, and

Re: t-and-f: Track and Field web sites

2001-04-10 Thread michel.saint-raymond
Hi, I agree completely with what you wrote. Information is better hot than cold or iced. But the true question is : how long can you pass two or three hours/a day to update your site during your leisure time ? I decided last year in september to begin my site about national records because I

Re: t-and-f: Track and Field web sites

2001-04-10 Thread Kurt Bray
The CNN.SI Athletics site is still up, although not updated very often during the off-season: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/index.html Kurt Bray _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

t-and-f: 60 Minutes II Tonight

2001-04-10 Thread John Lunn
Check the times in your area.

Fw: t-and-f: huge NCAA news!

2001-04-10 Thread Floyd Highfill
Does anyone purport to know: 1. How the 4 geographic regions will be delineated? 2. How an athlete qualifies for the regional meet (other than the reference to conference champions)? Or have these details yet to be worked out? Floyd Highfill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread malmo
Don't forget that those who ran the 100m slower than 13 seconds were called "lunch". ;) malmo They rarely lived past 30 years and the 100m record was way over 11 seconds. Sorry. Barto. 10,000 years ago, before SUV's roamed the earth and long before anyone had ever seen a Vitamin

t-and-f: usatf athlete of the week

2001-04-10 Thread Robert Hersh
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note that it was a mere 0.09 off the "club WR," of 37.79 set by an august Santa Monica TC bunch 10 years ago. Yeah, and that was august. This was only april.

Re: Fw: t-and-f: huge NCAA news!

2001-04-10 Thread Bruce Lehane
The regions will run north to south. The largest number of schools are found in the eastern region, which stretches from Maine to Florida. I believe that there will be qualifying standards to get into the regional meet, in addition to conference champions being admitted. Details are still

RE: t-and-f: supplements, diet and soil

2001-04-10 Thread Joel Gruver
Hello to all... As a soil scientist that has done research on organic production systems, I need to make a few quick comments about this soil quality/nutritional quality thread. First let me mention that my e-mail account was dead for much of the last 4 days so I probably missed some of the

Re: t-and-f: Track and Field web sites

2001-04-10 Thread Larissa Kleinmann
www.mariusbakken.com is a great TF website! Check it out if you don't know it yet. Original Message Follows From: "Conway Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Conway Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Track and Field web sites Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:31:47

t-and-f: NCAA

2001-04-10 Thread Gmcmmail
Much as I respect and usually agree with GH and others who are cheering for this abominable NCAA move, all I have to say is: Wow, thank goodness we will now have more cannon fodder filling the fields. I really missed not having slow sprinters/short jumpers at the ultimate NCAA TF competition.

t-and-f: Fwd: WR attempt-4x1500/1600/mile

2001-04-10 Thread TrackCEO
Greetings, all Emil Magallanes writes that he needs a meet for masters 4xMile record attempt. Anyone out there able to accommodate him? Thanks for your attention. Ken Stone Emil writes: The Reebok Aggie Masters would like to make an attempt at the WR/AR in the 4x1500/1600/mile. The

Re: t-and-f: re: huge Ncaa News

2001-04-10 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 10 Apr 2001 8:10:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "nad wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats what i like to hear. Will this be implemented by next year? It says 2002, but does that mean the 2002 school year or next indoor/outdoor? applies only to the outdoor meet, so

t-and-f: the chase for Q's probably isn't over

2001-04-10 Thread GHTFNedit
while NCAA people won't be chasing nationals Q's with the same fervor they did in the past, obviously the frenetic pursuit of mark-based qualifying will now be shifted to the Regionals, where presumably even more athletes will have a realistic shot at qualifying. or will there be no such

t-and-f: Rey Brown back in the HJ hunt

2001-04-10 Thread TrackCEO
Greetings, all: The one SoCal masters meet I decide to skip produces some HUGE news: Reynaldo Brown is back. Jason Meisler, a 7-2ish jumper in his UCLA days and now a masters straddler, reports that Rey Brown, the 1968 Olympian as a Compton HS jumper, competed this past Sunday (4/8/01) at

Re: t-and-f: Track and Field web sites

2001-04-10 Thread SD Cap'n
www.belllap.org is updated every day with all the top headline news from around the TF world on its homepage (right side of the page). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com At the end of the year

Re: t-and-f: Re: Supplements and The list

2001-04-10 Thread John Lunn
Mcewen, Brian T wrote: It is my understanding that it is difficult to get enough of certain vitamins such as C and E from food alone, especially for those under stress, such as highly trained athletes. Something to consider: 10,000 years ago, before SUV's roamed the earth and long