RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism > : > > Individual Kenyans get the appearance fees becaus

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

> RE: Economical reasons. > > Would there be more american champions > if winning a major marathon by a US runner was worth $10, 20 million? > Kenyan GDP is $270 per capita. Even relatively low-key 10K like recent > James Joyce Ramble offers $1000 for a win, plus appearance fees. > Peanuts mone

Re: t-and-f: Lets Do Regionals, But Don't Tell Anyone

> Then MJR wrote: > > Regionals already exist in the USATF system and culminate with the USATF > Club Championships in Indianpolis in July. This was setup to afford a > National level meet for emerging elites. It is also a step towards > rebuilding the club system to some extent. Check the USAT

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Those who are convinced that 800m is a slow-twitch fiber event, let's go one step further. A fact that is often overlooked by many people is that kenyans actually make fairly decent 400m runners. There has been quite a few kenyans who have been ranked in top 10 in that event - and overall kenyans

t-and-f: Wide World of Sports track snippets

Y ask Y: For the five or six people left on the List who haven't fallen on their swords or threatened to do so: ABC's "Wide World of Sports" had a two-hour special Sunday celebrating its 40th anniversary. Track was featured in all of 2.5 minutes, including the opening shot of Jim McKay on t

Re: t-and-f: Soccer??

Jon Entine: > Do you really follow soccer Oleg? Almost all of the great West African > soccer players have fled their countries to play for the great European > teams. Twenty percent of the British premiership is of West African > ancestry. Get a grip and study up. Well, like I said, I am not a

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

Alan: Individual Kenyans get the appearance fees because they have proven in prior races that they are likely to do very well. Americans do not get them because they are not nearly as competitive. Race directors would love nothing more than to promote American runners -- just a few years ago, th

t-and-f: Lets Do Regionals, But Don't Tell Anyone

Buck wrote: Here's an idea that's a lot better than the one I floated about track pursuit races :-) To qualify for the U.S. National Meet, let's switch to a system of open, regional qualifying meets, similar but not quite the same as what the NCAA is doing. I envision an 'A' standard right at t

t-and-f: Soccer??

Do you really follow soccer Oleg? Almost all of the great West African soccer players have fled their countries to play for the great European teams. Twenty percent of the British premiership is of West African ancestry. Get a grip and study up. On 5/1/01 5:42 PM, "t-and-f-digest" <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: t-and-f: Let's do regionals...

Buck's suggestions are not new, and as a matter of fact, new USATF president Bill Roe has been talking about something like this for years. I happen to think it is a great idea and it would solve quite a number of problems facing the spotr. Realitsically, though, it is unlikely to happen. The

RE: t-and-f: Flat earth Creationism

>Sigh...I'm not trying to convince you or anyone of anything other than than >this is an intriguing issue and has implications far beyond the world of >sports (it's the essence of what the Human Genome Project is about -- >finding the genetic influence on phenotypes). > >If I haven't convinced yo

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Alan: You could say all you want that the 800 meters is not a distance event, but this is a matter of climes, not boxes. Physiological studies show that one needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds or so. That makes 800 meters very much a distance race. The anatomical

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Alan: Here's a suggestion Alan. Read Bengt Saltin's cover story in last September's Scientific American, "Muscles and Genes." It's a good primer on how different muscle fibers work. If you want to read more scientific articles, "Taboo" has a great bibliography with most of the key research on suc

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

H...I never thought of that. That's a very interesting point. The big marathons pay big appearance fees to a fleet of Joe-Kenyans so a fleet of Joe-Kenyans sweep the medal stand. Meanwhile an equally talented Joe-American gets no appearance fee and fights just for a free entry into the rac

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

>From: "Oleg Shpyrko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >RE: Economical reasons. > >Would there be more american champions >if winning a major marathon by a US runner was worth $10, 20 million? My first thought was if that happened I would live in a box and run 200 miles a week right now. Now, why don't I jus

t-and-f: East African Americans

Alan, I think you just proved Jon Entine's point. Yes, virtually all the slave trade was between West Africa and the New World as it would have been way too expensive and time consuming in those days to sail all the way around the tip of Africa. At the present time, despite their extremely sma

Re: t-and-f: RE:Malmo post

Garry wrote, >What really bothers me is that I'm having trouble believing that the >rather tame original post and the few bits of thread that were allowed to >follow it were enough to set off alarm bells in the halls of Duckademia. >Rather, it seems obvious to me that some list member(s) must hav

t-and-f: Can anyone help this Young Lady?

SEND YOUR REPLY TO:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: runs in italy Date: 5/1/01 1:23:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:    [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am looking for a half marathon or any run I could do in italy between may 22 and june 20.  do you know of any or know a connection in italy i could ask.  

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

> So why so many great soccer players from Western Africa?> I don't know about soccer players but I wonder if Jon has come up with a "child slavery" gene for soccer players from West Africa? Steve S.

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?

>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:29:02 -0700 >From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: Follow the money? > >Kenyans and other East Africans win more than 60 percent of all top distance >races, from the 800 meters to the marathon. Most of the wins paid very >little if anything. In many ra

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

Randall and others, An interesting book to look at is non other than list member John Bale's excellent work (with Joe Sang), "Kenyan Running" which looks a lot at the colonial heritage of sport in Kenya and the types of sport that were introduced. Remember that kenya was not simply a resource pe

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

Oleg, West African national teams may not do that great, again because of mismanagement, poor coaching and facilities and the lack of funds, but look at many European league teams and see how many players are from West and Southern Africa. And not just in Europe but in Mexico and South America

t-and-f: Re: Lets Do Regionals

Buck Regionals already exist in the USATF system and culminate with the USATF Club Championships in Indianpolis in July. This was setup to afford a National level meet for emerging elites. It is also a step towards rebuilding the club system to some extent. Check the USATF website for details

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

>...than 60 percent of all top distance >races, from the 800 meters to the marathon. The 800m is not a distance race...repeat, the 800m is not a distance race. Most if not all 800m runners can be/are great 400m runners. In the 800m you see African Americans excel: Johnny Gray, South Americans e

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

>Physiological studies show that one >needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds >or >so. So you need your Anaerobic energy for about 1:00 right? I would think that in just about any race you would need to draw on your aerobic reserves at some point in time. I would

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

<<< soccer is very different because you need a long tradition of being good at soccer, unlike distance running, you cannot become great overnight, >>> WHUTCHUSAY? -Original Message- From: Oleg Shpyrko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:33 AM To: P.F.Talbot Cc

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

I personally try to continue to follow soccer, which I admit is not easy living in the US, but I honestly couldn't name a single west african soccer player. Can you? >From FIFA world ranking - top african countries: 22. South Africa 30. Morocco 32. Tunisia 34. Egypt Not a single west-african

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

<<< I still can't understand what motivated Rodgers, Flemming, Meyer, Hodge and others 20 years ago when all the road races offered was asphalt and adrenaline. >>> I can't say what motivated Fleming and Hodge, but in 1981-1982, the financial rewards for the other two were WAY OVER $100,000 a yea

t-and-f: Population differences in Europe

Oleg: Although you are correct that Europe is a "melting pot," there are still some very distinct genetic populations. Finns and Basques are quite genetically distinct from the rest of Europe and from each other. So are sections of Eurasia, from Bulgaria through Turkey and parts of Mongolia. No

Re: t-and-f: Penn relays notes

It was nice to see Jim Manno win the race. Jim lives in the next town over from me and has been racing mastersfor at least a quarter century. He also gives something back to the sport by serving as meet director of the USATF-NJ Indoor Masters Championship each year. Ed Koch --Original Mes

RE: t-and-f: Instant diagnosis

Perhaps it would create more interest if he called himself C.D. (What did you expect, I'm an accountant.) Ed Koch --Original Message-- From: "Ed Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: track net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 30, 2001 6:25:47 PM GMT Subject: t-and-f: Instant diagnosis Netter

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

So why so many great soccer players from Western Africa? On Tue, 1 May 2001, Oleg Shpyrko wrote: > RE: Soccer. > Soccer is much more technical than distance running. You need access to good > coaching, facilities, etc., whereas with distance running the overall > approach is much more simple. >

t-and-f: Let's do regionals...

Hi All, Here's an idea that's a lot better than the one I floated about track pursuit races :-) To qualify for the U.S. National Meet, let's switch to a system of open, regional qualifying meets, similar but not quite the same as what the NCAA is doing. I envision an 'A' standard right at the O

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

RE: Soccer. Soccer is much more technical than distance running. You need access to good coaching, facilities, etc., whereas with distance running the overall approach is much more simple. Additionally - in my opinion soccer is much more competitive sport throughout the world. Soccer is #1 sport i

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

bravoright onwhy can't everyone else see that it was a similiar thing that created the tennessee state dynasty in women's track in the late 50's-60's...culimnating in wilma rudolph's 3 gold medal victory in rome and wyomia tyus' first back to back 100 meter gold medal victorieslo

RE: t-and-f: RE:Malmo post

maybe UO's concern was the suggestion on the list that a particular list member should be taken out and beaten to a pulp. If that was the reason for reprimanding the list, I agree wholeheartedly. Sean --- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROT

RE: t-and-f: RE:Malmo post

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: RE:Malmo post > > > In a message dated Mon, 30 Apr 2001 1:51:55 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, "malm

t-and-f: Tommie Smith talks to LA Times

Check out bittersweet profile of Tommie Smith by LA Times writer Bill Plashcke, which suggests he won't get anywhere near his requested $50,000 for 1968 medal but wants to start a youth foundation with the money. I'm still hoping Tommie comes out for masters track, as he's intimated in the past