t-and-f: Jon Entine

2001-05-03 Thread Randall Northam
Two statements by Jon Entine written in different postings recently That makes 800 meters very much a distance race. I'll say it again: Athletes of West African ancestry (African Americans in particular) will NEVER become great long distance runners. By any standard Johnny Gray was a great

t-and-f: Entry list for Cardinal Invitational

2001-05-03 Thread Robert Hersh
Message text written by Michael Reilly Cardinal Track Field Invitational Cobb Track and Angell Field Stanford University May 4, 2001 LIST OF DECLARED ENTRANTS . . . . Men's 3000 Meter Steeplechase (2 sections) NON-Championship section will be at 7:15pm. Championship section will race at

Re: t-and-f: Entry list for Cardinal Invitational

2001-05-03 Thread phalford
I agree. One thing that annoys me is scanning through a results sheet and seeing the same event being staged umpteen different times only with different titles that make it difficult to establish which is the main one. Calling them 'A' and 'B' makes it obvious which is the more important.

t-and-f: Entine, debate, this list and my goodbye.

2001-05-03 Thread Justin Clouder
Hi All Amazing how two people can watch the same debate yet draw diametrically opposite conclusions. I think that the treatment Jon Entine has received on this list has been a disgrace. In his recent exchanges he has been painfully accurate, avoiding any of the sorts of generalisations for

t-and-f: IAAF Elections (Four candidates)

2001-05-03 Thread bobhersh
Message text written by Roger Ruth Since all members of the Council are elected for four-year terms, it might be possible to arrive at some approximation of this information through the Structure links on the website, but the question would remain of which members who are concluding a four-year

t-and-f: 800/1500m Comparo of different decades of super-stars

2001-05-03 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
This talk of what kind of correlation in ability exists between 400/800m and 800/1500m has hatched a question from me: Out of the greatest Middle-distance runners ever (based on time), how come the SUPER-Studs of the 90's are so far behind in the 800m? Starting with the first stars of the '90's

Re: t-and-f: 800/1500m Comparo of different decades of super-stars

2001-05-03 Thread John Bale
DOES ANYONE DISAGREE THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF COES, ,OVETTS AND ELLIOTTS IN BRITAIN TODAY - BUT THEY'RE NOT RUNNING. John Bale - Original Message - From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: t-and-f: 800/1500m Comparo of

Re: t-and-f: Convert this

2001-05-03 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
David Honea wrote: - The concept that you can use the age-graded tables - which I think somehow are related to the best performances previously done in an age-group - to show that someone is equivalent to a world championships medalist. Although they are partially related to performances

Re: t-and-f: 800/1500m Comparo of different decades of super-stars

2001-05-03 Thread Subfour359
that would be . . . a fatty NO. coe et al are not so common. i mean, his 800 record stood for how long, even with africans running and drugs available etc etc etc?? coe and the others were/are special athletes, and there not many of them out there. period. didigio DOES ANYONE DISAGREE

t-and-f: IAAF: World Athletics Day

2001-05-03 Thread Wilmar Kortleever
LS A nice initiative of the IAAF to promote track and field athletics. Too bad that last years winners were not given the opportunity to go to the Sydney olympics? Regards, Wilmar Courtesy IAAF, PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE International Amateur Athletic Federation Fédération

Re: t-and-f: Entine, debate, this list and my goodbye.

2001-05-03 Thread philip_ponebshek
Justin wrote: I think that the treatment Jon Entine has received on this list has been a disgrace. In his recent exchanges he has been painfully accurate, avoiding any of the sorts of generalisations for which he was rightly criticised last time. I agree that Jon's more careful - but he's

t-and-f: Individuals vs. groups

2001-05-03 Thread Jon Entine
On 5/3/01 8:01 AM, t-and-f-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:46:58 +0100 From: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Jon Entine Two statements by Jon Entine written in different postings recently That makes 800 meters very much a distance race.

t-and-f: NCAA track decision

2001-05-03 Thread welch suggs
Thought some of y'all would be interested in this excerpt from the NCAA's Division I Board of Directors meeting last week: è (1)Men¹s and Women¹s Outdoor Track and Field. Discussed concerns received regarding the proposed regional-qualifying system for men¹s and women¹s outdoor track and

Re: t-and-f: Entine, debate, this list and my goodbye.

2001-05-03 Thread Elliott Oti
Considering the fact that my message was the one quoted, I feel a little, well let's not call it guilt, but responsibility, at least with respect to the debate about Mr. Entine. I'm sorry to see you leave this list; I've lurked since 1996 (via the digest) and always read your postings with

t-and-f: Preview of Stanford 10k

2001-05-03 Thread Weldon Johnson
This is up at www.letsrun.com, but figured some of you might want to see it as well, and some of the info came from this list. And I'm sure you'll find some track statistical errors as well: Showdown at Stanford: The Assault on the American 10k Record Distance Running Fans in the bay area

t-and-f: Preview of Stanford 10k

2001-05-03 Thread Weldon Johnson
I realized I sent you all the first unedited version of the preview. The corrected version is up at: http://www.letsrun.com/stanford10k050401prev.html -Weldon

t-and-f: Healthy skepticism

2001-05-03 Thread Jon Entine
I don't know what want needs to show healthy skepticism. My ONLY absolute statement is that patterned population biology plays a role in sports success and that cultural exaggerates those small but (at the elite level) critical differences. That's it. That's the essence of moderation. Do I

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...well I guess not

2001-05-03 Thread Richard McCann
At 09:01 PM 5/2/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:17 -0700 From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try to grasp the difference between INDIVIDUALS and GROUPS. There may be an ideal body type based on the AVERAGE of INDIVIDUALS, but it is not eliminate the possibility of

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...well I guess not

2001-05-03 Thread Jon Entine
On 5/3/01 11:58 AM, Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:01 PM 5/2/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:17 -0700 From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try to grasp the difference between INDIVIDUALS and GROUPS. There may be an ideal body type based on the

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

2001-05-03 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote: About nine years ago I ran against Koers in a 400m which he won in 47.2 - 47.3. This despite the fact that Koers considers himself to be primarily a 1500m man. Nine years ago I was a teammate of Marko's and I saw him run mid 48s in an open though he