t-and-f: Meb gets AR--27:13.98

Chebii sets fastest 10k ever on U.S. soil, 27:04.20, Ben Maiyo 27:07.35, Luke Kipkosgei 27:12.37, Meb 27:13.98, Culpepper 27:33.93 (6x American performer), Schiebler 27:36, Abdi 28:01:02, Brad Hauser runs 5k (13:51)...results at www.gostanford.com Brian McGuire

t-and-f: Re: WHY you check before you send "virus" warnings!

Rich Harrington wrote: > > Virus HOAXES are designed to get people to forward them on to everyone they > know, thereby overloading mail systems. ALWAYS check with a credible source > before you cry wolf. > I can't wait to see the next Hoaxe Hoax warning. Do I pass that along?Does that mean that

t-and-f: Men's 10k @ Stanford...

Title: Men's 10k @ Stanford... Courtesy www.gostanford.com. Meb Keflezighi sets the American record at the distance tonight...hope to hear details from listers who were there! Paul Merca Men's 10,000 Meters (Championship Section) 1    (h-1)   Abraham Chebii    Puma Internation

Re: t-and-f: New thread regarding the Entine book

>Don't coaches >have any other kind of motivational techniques they >can draw on, even if genetic roots theories DO turn >out to be true? One might consider the approach taken by the character played by Woody Harrelson in the movie "White Men Can't Jump"- even though 'genetically challenged' and

t-and-f: New thread regarding the Entine book

While I may have feelings one way or another about the likelihood that the theories espoused in this book are correct, what is MUCH MORE intriguing is the title of the book- TABOO. If I were just looking over titles in a bookstore, this title would tell me that the subject of the book is NOT whet

t-and-f: "Distance Runner" as a circular argument

re: the comments about the definition of 'distance runner' being a self-serving circular argument: I heard a fairly good tongue-in-cheek comeback from a deep-thinking shot putter, considering the distinction between an 800m race and longer races as to which of them qualifies as a "distance" race-

t-and-f: Stanford Webcast

In case you can't make it to the meet, there will be a live webchat detailing what is going on in the men's 10k at   www.letsrun.com/stanford10k/     That is of course barring technical difficulties.  If the URL is different go to letsrun.com to find out the real one.   The  meet is in 2 ho

Re: t-and-f: Individuals vs. groups

>Randall: the 800 meters is NOT a "long distance" race although it is a >"distance race." I've been following this thread for some time with pretty much detached bemusement. My only comments are rather peripheral to the core debate of the thread: The terms "distance runner", "distance race" or

Re: t-and-f: Neville Hodge 10.96 M45 called legit

Walt wrote: > Ken, > David Honea is not the only one that goes "ballistic" when you publish > these "age-graded" comparisons. In my opinion, you do a disservice to masters > athletes when you do this, since most "serious" track fans laugh at the > numbers. I am as strong a proponent of age grad

t-and-f: Re: [t-and-f_statistics] IAAF: World Athletics Day

Anybody know where the pool of names of kids for the "draw" come from? Is it possible for a kid to "send in an application" for consideration? Any prerequisite criteria for consideration (besides age) ? RT

Re: t-and-f: shirts or skins? - what's best for training in hot weather?

In a message dated 5/4/01 1:23:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >any > >fabric also blocks the wind and airflow that is generated by running. Having test-worn and reviewed the Stand Off singlet Nike developed for Sydney, I would say it may be one piece of clothing that is as cool as no shirt

RE: t-and-f: Neville Hodge 10.96 M45 called legit

I rarely chime in on this type of stuff, but as long as it's not taken seriously I don't mind the "age-grading conversions". My feeling is as long as it's referred to a Age-graded then what's the harm? It's a funky masters thing that gives them an opportunity (although, admittedly, not a very accu

Re: t-and-f: Neville Hodge 10.96 M45 called legit

In a message dated 5/4/1 5:13:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <> Ken, David Honea is not the only one that goes "ballistic" when you publish these "age-graded" comparisons. In my opinion, you do a disservice to masters athletes when you do this, since most "serious" track fans laugh at the

t-and-f: Twilight Mile

A reminder that the Bill McChesney Jr Memorial Twilight Mile will be held Saturday, May 12th at Hayward Field in Eugene, Oregon. Athletes in the 3:40-44 or 3:58-4:02 range (or faster, of course) are invited to contact me about entry. Hotel and meals will be provided. There is prize money on

t-and-f: Neville Hodge 10.96 M45 called legit

Y ask Y: Phil Felton, a trackside witness to the masters sprints at Penn, reports that the negative wind reading and time for Neville Hodge in the M45 100 was legitimate -- and that paperwork is being filed for a WR in his age group: 10.96. That's a 10.1 on the Age-Graded Tables (for sake of

Re: t-and-f: Viruses

Sorry. I respectively don't agree. That virus alert was fall down funny so I suppose it had some entertainment value, if nothing else. Regards,    Martin     Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., PartnerMillard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP  Chartered Accountants   P.O. Box 367

Re: t-and-f: Viruses

What the heck! If the warning is bogus, it's just one more time on the delete button. If you get no warning, everything is gone. I say don't be so critical,  warn me every chance you get. And...Thanks for the effort! John Lunn "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: People should confirm something is a virus

t-and-f: Viruses

People should confirm something is a virus before burdening lists or others with these types of messages. The propagation of these messages IS the virus. Regards,    Martin     Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., PartnerMillard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP  Chartered Accountants  

Re: t-and-f: Preview of Stanford 10k

For those of you born after 1982, and continue to downplay Salazar's effort, please let me remind you. Salazar was in about 27:15 shape in his match against Rono. He lost a fast and tactical race to one of the world's best at the time. It was more of a tune-up for his more important race several

Re: t-and-f: RE: Salazar Eugene 10k ?

The Boston Marathon in 1982 was contested on Monday, April 19th. On March 21, 1982 Salazar placed second to Mohamed Kedir in the World Cross in Rome. Salazar had already run 2:08:13 in NY in the previous fall. (Called a world record but later measured short.) I looked it up. The story is told in t

RE: t-and-f: [Fwd: FW: Virus alert/worst ever according to CNN]

By now I'm sure that someone else have sent this to you.  But... This is a hoax.  It took me about 30 seconds to find out that this was a hoax.  For those who don't know you can verify these simply by going to McAfee.com.  If it is the "worst ever" it'll be on their front page.   See the f

t-and-f: Never??

> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:55:56 > From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: t-and-f: Jon Entine, can we get over this discussion? > > Even I am growing tired of this...:) Doesn't matter how many examples we put > out it will always be responded to with the individuals VS group thing. I

t-and-f: Please don't send hoax warnings

Hello everyone, This list receives enough messages even without hoax warnings. Before you send a warning about a virus which probably is a hoax, please read the list: http://vil.mcafee.com/hoax.asp This way you can save other people from trying to protect themselves from a virus than does not

t-and-f: Virtual Card Virus Hoax

This is from the Symantec Antivirus Center: The Virtual Card for You is a hoax that should be ignored. The following is the text that may be received as an email message: Virus Alert VIRUS WARNING To ALL INTERNET USERS: A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft

t-and-f: [Fwd: FW: Virus alert/worst ever according to CNN]

Original Message Subject: FW: Virus alert/worst ever according to CNNDate: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:50:24 -0700From: "honikman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Linda Honikman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I received this last night- I hope its helpful. Basil Honikman       >>  Virus alert/worst

t-and-f: shirts or skins? - what's best for training in hot weather?

Does anyone have any professional opinion or know of any research studies on the following: what is cooler in hot weather - running without a shirt (bare skin) or running with a coolmax type shirt on? Let's assume a hot and humid climate, like the southeast not the southwest. Coolmax wicks, but

t-and-f: RE: Salazar Eugene 10k ?

I believe it was NINE days before. His big goal was to simulate a 10k/marathon double at the LA Olympics (back when distance stars did such things), to see how his body would handle an all-out 10k a short time before a tough marathon. The Boston Marathon is usually April 18/19 or so ... That wou

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...well I guess not

Jon wrote: > Thank you for such a sophisticated analysis. Grade: D. Now retake logic and > statistics 101. Not that I agree with all of Richard's points, but my statistics 101 said that you can't conclude much from correlations like the ones that have been cited. My logic 101 teacher said that w

t-and-f: Jon Entine, can we get over this discussion?

Even I am growing tired of this...:) Doesn't matter how many examples we put out it will always be responded to with the individuals VS group thing. Also Jon, to say that one person out of a certain group of people will NEVER do something is a pretty ignorant statement. Not saying that you are

t-and-f: Salazar Eugene 10k ?

"Mcewen, Brian T" wrote: > 3) If El Salazar can run 27:30 in a downpour, with no rabbits, and the > outcome in doubt right up until the end, in EARLY-April NO LESS ... Question here. Is my mind screwed up again or wasn't that 27:30 10k Salazar ran in Eugene 10 days before the Boston Marathon w

Re: RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Sure there are a ton of guys who can run 1:47/4:00 and only run 49.xx on a relay leg etc... it's called strength What do you think Gabe Jennings could run on a 4x400?? 49. most likely, maybe 48 high. Louie Quintana (former Cal HS legend and Villanova Alum) once split 1:47 at PENN going 53

t-and-f: 400/800 correlation?

"Mcewen, Brian T" wrote: > > I find it hard to swallow that a guy could go 52.5/54.7 = 1:47.2 but > could manage only 49.x-50s for 400m. Brian, >From personal experience you can run 1:47 and not be able to break 50 for the 400. Not very common, but it has been done. I had an athlete wit

RE: t-and-f: Preview of Stanford 10k

Thinking further about the 10km AR attempt ... 1) BK ran a 13:15 5k off of just 120-130 mpw of base running a few years ago ... I think in Feb. '98. For most people a 13:10/27:20 are equal. If BK truly IS in his best shape in three years (like he says) ... you would assume he is in better shape

t-and-f: IAAF: Another Counsil election withdrawal

I am starting to wonder how many of these press releases will follow between now and early august... (cannot be more than about ten, because then we are out of candidates...) Nevertheless, courtesy IAAF WK (PS to those who also read a lot of mailing lists: you can see I cut back on the number of

t-and-f: top American 10,000m on U.S. soil

Note that all but one of the below were run at Pacific Coast venues: 27:30.00 -- Alberto Salazar, 10 Apr 92, Eugene, OR 27:31.34 -- Todd Williams, 06 Apr 95, Knoxville, TN 27:36.7 -- Mark Nenow, 24 Apr 82, Walnut, CA 27:38.37 -- Bob Kennedy, 07 May 99, Palo Alto, CA 27:39.27 -- Alan Culpepper,

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

<<< For example, there are a host of 4:00 milers who can only run 49-50s for 400m but can run 1:47 in the 800 whereas no 400m runner with a 49-50s PR could do the same, but would need to be in the 45-47.low range. >>> I find it hard to swallow that a guy could go 52.5/54.7 = 1:47.2 but coul