Article in the Toronto Globe that is a reprint from the Wall Street Journal
so the link can't be accessed. It's about the whole walk/run thing. I know
that I should just brush it off but I can't help myself. It has the usual
quotes from whoever the penguin is and former runner Galloway. The 2
I wonder how many found the quotes 'interesting' rather than 'irritating'?
John Bale
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From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: t-and-f: Walk/run
OK, here's a question for the stat/record mavens:
Should a mark set by someone from a league member school prior to the formal
organization of the league be considered the league record?
My gut feeling is no, therefore giving rise to the possibility that a school
record could be better than
Jim -
Should a mark set by someone from a league member school prior to the
formal organization of the league be considered the league record?
My gut feeling is no, therefore giving rise to the possibility that a
school record could be better than the league mark (which is not a
problem).
Interestingly enough, Keino ran 3:41.9 in Tokyo in 1964 in the semis (did he
make the final?), over a second faster than Lamprechts' 1500m split when he
broke 4:00 a month later.
Ignoring the old argument about whether that is equal to a sub-4, was that
the fastest 1500m by an African up to that
I don't know what the answer to this question is (my gut feeling is it
should count), but I must object to Ed's analogy below. Hardly the same
thing -- the original question refers to the same school, just before it
had the league categorization, while the response is two different schools
What about if you set a record and then your school changes leagues. Does
the mark still stand as a record in the old league??
Dan Doherty
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From: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:48:54 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
A league (or conference record) is not just a compendium of the
best of all the school records of the schools which are currently members.
Otherwise, Kansas could change allegiances, join the SEC (heaven
help us!), and the SEC Mile record would suddenly be Jim Ryun's
3:51.1.
Ridiculous, right?
My gut and my reason tell me No, it should not count. This past November
a reporter called my father to ask if I had won three straight XC
championships in high school. He remembered (correctly) that I had been
second my sophomore year, and then he asked the journalist why he was
interested
President of the athletic Federation of Nigeria (AFN) Dan Ngerem has formally
announced the exclusion of female sprint star Endurance Ojokolo from the
Commonwealth Games for abusing British Welfare procedures.
Ngerem said during a media chat in Lagos that the athlete who may have been
evading
Absolutely it should still stand if the league is still the same basic
entity with just a few teams added or removed. Obviously leagues can change
their names and take other structural measures that would make it a grey
area, but simply removing a team or two shouldn't make the records invalid.
I don't know what the answer to this question is (my gut feeling is it
should count), but I must object to Ed's analogy below. Hardly the same
thing -- the original question refers to the same school, just before it had
the league categorization, while the response is two different schools
There are a lot of good things about Moscow, but the Russian mafia and its
violent behavior make it a dangerous place to visit! There are very few
places that I won't go, but until things change, Moscow is not on my list.
Gerald
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That's the problem, isn't it. The same mark could be a record in multiple
conferences.
Keeping records only for league meet performances seems to solve the
problem neatly.
What bugs me a lot more is that many US schools have records based on
bastard metric distances that are not remotely
It seems a number of athletics federations around the world don't adhere to
this principal when it comes to recognizing national records.
For example, as listed in Winfried Kramer's national athletics records
booklet, most of the current German women's records were set by athletes
competing
I've been watching the hockey-dad trial on Court TV
(where a fistfight between a player's dad and the coach
resulted in the death of the coach from head injury)
During a lunch break in the trial, the TV network
brought on a guest commentator who said that there's
a movement underway to require
If an athlete set a record at a school, the record would stand as the
school record, but not as the league record if they were not in the league
beforehand. If the school changes leagues due to reorganization, etc., the
record still stands as the league record. I have seen this occur in the
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It seems a number of athletics federations around the world don't adhere to
this principal when it comes to recognizing national records.
...
And, going the other way, when the Soviet Union broke up, a lot of the new
federations grandfathered/grandmothered
I have been approached by an estate agent who has uncovered a cache of 28
medals (25 of them gold) won by Irv Baxter, the 1900 Olympic HJ and PV
champ. Most of the medals are from his national AAU championships and Met
(NYC) AAU champs. He won the nat'l AAU HJ in 1897, '98, '99, '00 and '02,
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Excellent point by Marty Post. It all depends on whether you interpret
germany as merging, or as one country joining the other. If two leagues
were to merge, I'd see no reason not to keep the best record of the two,
which is exactly what Germany did. But it certainly does point out that
the
Don't worry about Nick. He's a very capable, no-nonsense kind of person.
Has a good background from his days with Sportinformation, a sports news
agency in Switzerland.
--- Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My analogy was that an athlete should have the same relationship to his
school in terms of setting a record as a school should have to the
league.
Why? School affiliation is very well defined in most cases, whereas
league affiliate tends to be
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Comments?
Would you teach YOUR kid that trying to win is important,
but always doing your best is even MORE important?
I tell my daughters who are 10 and 12 running 2 and 5 on their middle school
x-c team that trying to win is what you do but that actually winning depends
on what
--- Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My analogy was that an athlete should have the same relationship to his
school in terms of setting a record as a school should have to the
league.
Why? School affiliation is very well defined in most cases, whereas
league affiliate tends
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Absolutely it should still stand if the league is still the same basic
entity with just a few teams added or removed. Obviously leagues can
change
their names and take other structural measures that would make it a grey
area, but simply removing a team or two shouldn't make the records
In a message dated 1/9/02 6:29:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But at any given point in time, it is possible
to define what schools are in the league, so if you are going to have
league-wide records, my opinion is that they can only be valid when done
by an athlete at a school that is in the
In a message dated 1/9/02 2:40:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does this have meaning when it comes to race strategy?-
i.e. always go for a PR, or at least the absolute best
time that you could possibly run on that day, versus
going out slow in a VIM (Very-Important-Meet) because
you know you
Penguins run slow. Ask Runners World.
Ed Koch
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From: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: First sub-4:00 African (was Keino (was:: Solutionfor
I was going through the old Vanderbilt year books and scrapbooks, recreating
the history of Vanderbilt track field. The men's program started in 1896.
The yearbook had 2-4 pages on the track team from around 1902 and on. The
scrap book was made up of newspaper clippings cut out whenever a
The Irish Times
Thursday, January 10, 2002
Ian O'Riordan
Almost all the Irish contenders for the coming World Cross Country
Championships in Dublin will be racing in Dunleer this Sunday in the 33rd
edition of the Rás na hÉireann.
With the Leopardstown event now just 10 weeks away, this
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