Any reason why the process is so slow? It's almost 5
months since the incident occurred. The major sports
would have handed down a judgement in a week or two at
most. Why the delay? Ironic that a sport celebrating
the fastest, farthest and highest also takes the
longest to resolve matters.
I aslo
On a side note, I just read in Business Week that NBC
was considering a potential bid for DirecTV. As a
DirecTV subscriber, I would definitely purchase an
Olympic sports package if they offered one with lots
of track coverage. I remember NBC tried something
similar on cable in 88? but I can't remem
You're right. Up until now MJ has been a media
darling. She's articulate, attractive and possesses
teflon-like abilities, coming out of the CJ Hunter
fiasco in 2000 virtually unscathed. It will be
interesting to see how she fares this time around.
Judging from all the negative press so far, I'm not
>I think a strong case can be made that by allowing
> this thing to fester could increase fan interest and
> therefore Nike's bottom line. But the purists
wouldn't care and I can respect that
> position. It's the highest ground to get onto. And
> it's pretty lonely up there I imagine.
> Regards,
>
Can anyone say Nike and labor
> practices? And I guess they
> are the moral authority in this little fiasco.
> Please. They have taken a
> few steps but it took them over 20 years to even
> start that. And now all
> is forgiven since they are now such model worldwide
> corporate citizens.
> But eve
tion has helped drag her name and
the sport through the mud.
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>"I'm a proponent of a drug-free sport and I always
> will be. Many nights I've lain in bed and thought
>that I believe drugs should not be in the sport, but
>I'm always being dragged through the mud.
>"I've never tested positive and I never will, but
> everybody is putting guilt by association in
I'm surprised no one sent this around earlier. Got it
from Letsrun.com. If this actually comes to pass then
the only thing that matters in this whole messy
situation is money. The moral is when Nike talks (and
not USATF, IAAF, etc), Marion listens.
Jones to leave Francis for Nike's sake
Duncan
Curt Flood is not a good example. His suit was
regarding free agency in baseball not the rules of
playing the game. A better example might be Casey
Martin, golf carts and the PGA Tour.
>
> Since Curt Flood.
>
> > Since when did the details of rules governing how
> play a sport become
> > a legi
"The mascot is the exclusive property of USATF and
will be a part of efforts to brand USATF and the sport
of track & field."
Maybe USATF figures no one watched the US basketball
team's dismal performance at the World Basketball
Championships and purchased the exclusive rights on
the cheap. Very e
> But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of
> an organization as
> important as WADA that he'd attack a guy he didn't
> really remember and
> didn't have ironclad facts about. That's the
> credibility issue that concerns
> me.
>
Exactly. It's a bit disturbing that the head of USADA,
whi
>
> >The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has informed
> the United States Olympic
> Committee (USOC) of New York cyclist Juan Pineda's
> >positive test for a
> controlled substance. According to USADA, Pineda
> tested positive for
> 19-norandrostestosterone and 19->noretiocholanolone
> on June 4,
> > I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to
> a list clobbering, but
> > before a public
> > announcement is made, the guy should be able to
> first explain his side of the
> > story after/if the B
> > sample comes back positive.>>
>
> It's a little-known subsection in the list charter
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There is no way that he would do anything such as
> this that may hurt his
> "Market Value". The talk is just a little spice for
> press.
Barring injury, how does it hurt his "Market Value"?
Even if he lost to Marion Jones, imagine all the hype
and media exposure
> The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation
> that doesn't have
> rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition
> and in-competition
> testing programs. If they do that, they might have
> a little currency to
> deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is
> impossible to
Why not 300 meters?
Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to
400-metre dash
OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham
El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones
to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden
League meetings in Oslo on Friday.
The two athlet
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from
> other countries who live
> here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian
> athletes who now live in
> Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign
> athlete who has actually
> represent his particular co
The list keeps growingnow the IAAF claims 5
members of the US track & field team at the 2000
Sydney Olympic Games competed, even though they tested
postive earlier in the year. What are the odds USATF
will even address these new allegations? I'm guessing
slim to none. Masback, if he even addre
> As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since
> when can business people be counted
> on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a
> search and include dot-com and bubble
> in your search parameters. Draw your own
> conclusions.
Business people will only pay what the market demands.
Simp
> Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be
> surprised and disappointed) he gets:
>
> a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess
> that is conservative
> (that's 50K a year for life invested))
Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds
of numbers around. First off,
It was a typo. His mark was 22.19m.
--- "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By my calculator (I don't have a Big Green Book),
> 21.19m equals approximately
> 69-6 1/4. Anybody know what Toth's real mark was?
> Another example, if one was
> needed, of why marks should not be conver
> We had a fantastic meet at Portland and now it's
> only three days before Pre and there's been no
> discussion whatsoever!
I'm surprised no one commented on ESPN's coverage of
the Portland meet. I'm glad there was an opportunity
to watch track on TV, but the coverage left me
disappointed.
Not the most user-friendly site but here are the Big
12 results:
http://mutigers.fansonly.com/ot/big12-outdoor-2002.html
You have to pull the menus down for results for each
event.
--- Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anybody know the Big 12 results yet? I hate to be
> too critical,
>
can clarify this.
John
--- John Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did
> a
> double take when I saw the results for the 3000m
> Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the
> fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever?
>
>
I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a
double take when I saw the results for the 3000m
Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the
fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever?
1 Kipketer Wilson DEN 8:05.98
2 Kosgei Reuben KEN 8:06.58
3 Kosgei John KEN 8:08.13
4
This just crossed the wire. Only took 11 months to
settle the whole matter, including arbitration. I
thought the USADA charter called for a much tighter
timeframe for settling these things.
Track and field athlete suspended after failing drug
test
May 14, 2002
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -
--- Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Actually, I believe a great deal of it has been
> determined:
>
> The four regional meets would be held the final
> weekend of May. In
> 2003 there are five weekends in May, so it would be
> the latest
> possible dates, May 30-31. The NCAA would b
Let's not forget the Arkansas duo of Cragg (13:22.07)
and Lincoln (13:36.12). Their 26:58.19 is only 4+ secs
off of the Torres/Ritz combo. If Cragg and Lincoln
both run the 5k at NCs, we could have a repeat of the
indoor 5K battle between Arkansas and CU.
--- Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I noticed that too. He was either a step behind Torres
or right next to him for at least the last half of the
race. There were times I thought he would pass Torres
but he never did. He doesn't have the strength or the
finishing speed of Torres...yet. But when he does,
watch out. Right now he's one
Here's a post about track
Athletics-Bucher out for at least six weeks with foot
injury
GENEVA (Reuters) - Swiss 800 metres world champion
Andre Bucher has been sidelined for at least six weeks
after fracturing his left foot during training.
Bucher told Swissinfo.org that the injury would
Hopefully this never-ending saga will soon be
resolved
IAAF and U.S. body agree to arbitration on dope cases
By John Mehaffey
LONDON (Reuters) - The International Association of
Athletics Federations (IAAF) and USA Track & Field
have agreed to independent arbitration in an attempt
to reso
>Then I am sure that this past week you have already
>marched down
>to your association USATF office and signed up to be
>a volunteer
>official, because you can do better than those scarce
>few at
>nationals have been able to do.
>What, you say 'not my job!' ?
>Well then stop yer whinin'. Put u
Just saw this today. Does anyone know if USADA will be
conducting these tests in the US for the IAAF and when
they will start? Or will the IAAF do the tests
themselves in the US?
IAAF announces year-round out-of-competition EPO tests
March 14, 2002
MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) -- The Internation
Since this has been a big subject on this list
recently
Tulane drops men's track programs
March 14, 2002
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Tulane is dropping its men's
indoor and outdoor track programs, citing problems
with the university's gender-equity program.
The announcement was made Wednesday,
I just don't buy this explanation from USATF. I
understand that computer errors happen, but taking
more than a month to resolve the problem is
inexcusable. This was the US national championships
not a high school county championships. Scoring XC is
not rocket science. All you need is someone who c
--- Paul Banta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Your "facts" are not correct. Nike was presented
> the women's team
> trophy at the completion of the USATF Winter Cross
> Country Championships
> last month in Vancouver, WA. Adidas was presented
> the men's trophy. I
> am not aware of an
> I really wish there was a 6 month time limit on all
> appeals of this
> process. It would shut a lot of mouths on what goes
> on. Do the A & B
> tests, if they both fail, you get 6 months from the
> day of the sample to
> present your case, no delays allowed for any reason.
> Present your cas
Coming off their impressive performances at the USA
Cross Country Nationals, Colorado's Jorge Torres and
Dathan Ritzenhein traded wins in the 5K and 3K at the
Big 12 Championships at Nebraska:
5000 Meter Run (Feb 22)
1. Jorge Torres, 13:51.32
2. Dathan Ritzenhein, 13:52.41
3,000 Metter Run (Feb
[February 23, 2002]
Kevin Dare, a member of the Penn State men's track and
field team, died today while competing at the Big Ten
Men's Indoor Track and Field Championships in
Minneapolis, Minn. A sophomore from State College,
Dare, 19, fell during a pole vault attempt and hit his
head on the
--- Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slightly off topic (which may well be a good thing),
> but anyone else find
> the Korean speed skating delegation's argument
> amusing? You know, the one
> about their skater getting disqualified for a rules
> infraction and how the
> winner should be
> Where are you hearing this?
> It was the Brits who were burning Yeg at the stake-
> especially a certain Brit female who threatened to
> skip
> the Edmonton final over the presence of Yeg.
Just look at the subject line to the original post.
Due to the media , I think most people (including
mys
that the A test was positive and rightfully so
because the B test was thrown out. Food for thought...
John Sun
--- "Michael J. Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yegorova not 'family friendly' enough for French
> event
>
> Agence France-Presse
>
> LI
--- Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And,
>
> Was her four-year suspension under the old rules?
>
> Did that get rescinded to two years?
>
> If it stayed at four years, why was USA
> Weightlifting even testing her? (strike one in 1994,
> strike
> two in 1997)
>
> If it was a four-year
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Today's stories on the women's bobsled team(s) made
> reference to Gea Johnson
> as a former track athlete with a "checkered past."
> Can anyone elucidate on
> that?
>
> Jim Gerweck
> Running Times
It seems she was suspended from track & field in 1994
for 4 year
> 1. There is no technical barrier to displaying a
> taped
> image over a "live" picture, assuming that that
> identical
> vantage point for the camera is maintained. So you
> could
> see a comparison live.
Could this be done "live" for championship heats where
athletes qualify for the next rou
How about each team sets their order and then the
officials randomly choose the order of distances? This
would require a coach to put together a well-rounded
team.
--- Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How about a distance medley relay where each team
> decides what order they
>
I'm staying away from the drug issue on this one :-)
However, Masback's comments today in runnersworld.com
intrigued me. He stated that:
"USATF just had its best year ever by many measures in
the year after the Olympics."
>From an athlete performance perspective, I was a bit
disappointed with th
> Finally, it is still not clear to me whether
> USADA's policy on information
> release meets IAAF requirements. It is also not
> clear exactly what the IAAF
> considers USATF's role to be now that USADA is in
> charge of testing. It
> seems to me that USATF should be serving as an
> athlet
myself)
> before you go off half-cocked and write the drivel
> that continues to
> ooze from your keyboards!!
>
> John Sun, please read my reply to you & the Canadian
> "expert" on
> Runnersworld.com! I've tried to explain what is
> going on to you and
&
on-issue". Please enlighten us with what you believe
is really wrong that the USATF would be better off
fixing. I highly doubt it's not directly or indirectly
connected in some way to the drug problem .
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. Even worse, the USATF's inaction
makes them seem like drugs are not a problem. If the
USATF's position has been reported in an unfavorable
light in the past, then this is a clear signal that
they need new positioning in order to get their
message across.
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larly the USATF) before. Just none have
> been
> as as big a fish as Pound (although having said that
> i
> also don't entirely believe he is entirely sincere
> from a purely intrinsic perspective) or as
> agressive.
>
> Bomba
>
> --- John Sun <[EMAIL PROTEC
I don't know what his motivation is, but your argument
makes sense. Losing out to Rogge as IOC Chief and then
being appointed Chairman of the WADA as consolation
had to be a major step down. He's probably angling for
something higher on the food chain and it doesn't hurt
to beat up on the good ol'
ano y mano?
We can expound on this list until we're blue in the
face about US laws and protection of privacy. However,
until the USATF and USADA gets their act together and
starts educating the public on the whole testing
process, Pound will continue to win the PR race.
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y the manufacturer and that the same
supplement was used by sprinters Merlene Ottey and
Linford Christie, both of whom were suspended after
testing positive.
Hello. That should have been a big enough red flag
to stop using the supplement altogether.
John Sun
> I agree that it is not feasible for
ght supplements and
medication, etc).
Enough of my rambling. The USATF has to get off its
butt and get the word out to a wider audience that it
is combatting the drug issue, because right now Dick
is pounding them in the very important arena of public
perception.
John Sun
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e athlete
has a right to a hearing. The decision and sanction,
if any will be sent to athlete, USATF, USOC, IAAF and
WADA. The sanction, if any, will then be made public
by the USADA or USATF.
To sum it up, the IAAF is kept in the loop once a
double positive occurs, but only a sanction is made
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