Re: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

I'll chip in here on Ron Dayne...as a Giants fan and Jersey resident, I wish he would've stuck with the discus at this point. The guy above him in the depth chart, Tiki Barber (he's famous, he was in one of those GQ or People Sexiest Men alive things...not that I pay attention to that stuff) was

Re: t-and-f: Grote Poll

Check out letsrun.com There has been nothing since Pre-Nats, but those results speak for themselves, which is good because having two races is too complicated and stupid for me to figure out. There will be nothing this week, kind of busy myself. I should have something before regionals and

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

Been saying this for years and maybe they are getting closer to it, but to promote the sport at the elite level to those at the grass roots level try this on for size: -Have a freaking short course x-c race at Van Cortlandt park on the classic 2.5 mile course the same day as the GIGANTIC

Re: t-and-f: Cheboiywo's training plan

Good for Boaz. How old is he again? Does he do any training with Yousri El Medjboudi (sp?) you know the guy who got the boot from and for Southern Miss a few years back? Heard they have some $imilar inter$t$. Then again, El Medjboudi was more into the road race scene than the track scene...

Re: t-and-f: Coach's comments on Pre-Nats

Well said, one important thing to remember, while its great to just qualify for NCAA's, the point is to crown an NCAA Champion...on that note, Arkansas has never gone to the Pre-NCAA Meet. Arkansas has won 11 titles and 3 straight...even though they're only #3 right now?!?!?!? Whenever an issue

Re: t-and-f: NCAA Pre-Meet/Furman Invitational

I think its a travesty that Arkansas is ranked 3rd after they have won 3 straight titles and have brought in Cragg, Silverus Kimeli to replace who's gone. They should start #1 every year and stay there until somebody beats them, they've earned that. Then again, what the heck do polls matter?

Re: t-and-f: NCAA-I men's XC poll

] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NCAA-I men's XC poll Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:30:57 EDT In a message dated Thu, 6 Sep 2001 2:53:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dull...boring...The Grote Poll is done

Re: t-and-f: NCAA-I men's XC poll

out the hogs. dAN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NCAA-I men's XC poll Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:30:57 EDT In a message dated Thu, 6 Sep 2001 2:53:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ryan

Re: t-and-f: NCAA-I men's XC poll

Dull...boring...The Grote Poll is done, be patient and check letsrun.com and hopefully those wiseguy Ivy Leaguers will post it. For what its worth, Arkansas #3 is a total slap in the face. I don't care who they lost and who they return. If Oliver Miller is in their top 5, I don't care, they

Re: t-and-f: Why not talk about College XC?

I'm working on it. Grote Poll is near completion, it will be posted at letsrun.com most likely. It will not be emailed out to the list, you'll have to suck it up and go to the website. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: The Dude poll - men's XC

The Dude Poll? Oh, thats great. Lots of credibility when you can't even use a name. Haven't bothered to read it, but I can't argue with his #1. The real killer to his credibility is in his final lines, some reference to drinking a Coronaha! Although I'm not drinking anything these days,

Re: t-and-f: RE: something else to chew on

I'll chime in on this one, as the cause of the problem is quite simple: NIKE SUCKS. Get somebody, anybody else on the job and uniforms will improve. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: t-and-f: Grote where are you?

Thanks for caring everybody. Its a busy time of year, x-c season starting means busy business. Plus, don't forget that I'm married and own a home. And I run sometimes, too. That said, there will be a GROTE POLL 2001, oh yes there will. The Wife and I are roadtripping to Greenville, SC, for

Re: t-and-f: Jenny Adams

Good point, been meaning to ask where is she from, that is where did she go to college? Not your typical looking high hurdler, looks more like a 3k/5k runner or something. Kicking some ass, though. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: T-and-F@Lists.

Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN

: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN

t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN

it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan

Re: t-and-f: Future track superstar?

Mr. Grant, As for future superstars from NJ this year...my vote goes to DWIGHT RUFF of Camden...he's got another superstar at his HS named DaJuan Wagner, but unlike Wagner, Ruff will likely stay in college and graduate and is not on probation for assault. Ruff ran a state record 50.32 in the

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

But what if he wins? Is it then a situation a la the marathon trials where the champion gets into the meet even if no qualifier? Can the champion who runs 3:39 go to Worlds and block others who potentially posess the standard? Better yet, who the hell cares, let the racing play itself out on

Re: t-and-f: what's the best HS distance medley of all-time?...DMR 400 Futility?

How about what's the worst 400 leg of a great HS DMR? My alma mater, Bernards High ran officially 2nd (same time as 1st) at Penn Relays '83 with a then-record 10:00.6. I don't have it in front of me, but I think that quarter miler ran 52.6...maybe slower. Ed Grant knows, I'm sure. That

Re: t-and-f: mile improvement since high school

University of Portland school record holder Todd Davis (3:59 inside? 8:37 steeple, 13:48 5000m) ran 4:09 in high school...for 1500m. In February of 1997, at the annual Halftime Mile on the 8-turn 240m track upstairs/above/around the basketball court at halftime of a hoops game (as the name

Re: t-and-f: WC 'A' standard holders in distances?

J. Geils Band got me inspired and into some trouble in 2nd grade...I think I was the only one who had the album...favorite song was Piss On The Wall...great tune...but I don't think the janitor at my elementary school thought so. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: david honea

Re: t-and-f: Hazel Clark Status?

I dunno, but I'm SURE it has nothing to do with the slap-on-the-wrist for the positive test from indoor nationals that Hazel received recently. No suspension, but a DQ and press release...not that there is necessarily any smoke where there is fire or anything. Or something... Grote adiRP/MMRD

Re: t-and-f: adidas Meet TV?

Bottom line is they weren't in there. It should be SOMEBODY'S job to make sure they are in there. Don't pass the proverbial buck. Most track fans have figured out where to get results. If you want MORE track fans than you already have (assume that USATF does, right?) then the onus is

t-and-f: USATF and Nationals and Money

It is my impression that USATF doesn't really have that much money that they can afford to just GIVE it away. As always, who says you get to be paid for running or for track field? Sure, it'd be nice...but it is not a birthright. The sport in general from a marketing and revenue standpoint

t-and-f: Re: Meets on TV, $$, etc

adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: mjroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Meets on TV, $$, etc Grote, and other naysayers: While we all bitch here about the state of the sport, what

t-and-f: Out On A Limb For 5k...

OK, big surprise here from me...I'm going to issue a happy congrats to somebody from Stanford. Call it East Coast bias, but seems to me like a gutsy race, and great career capping story with Jon Riley winning the NCAA 5000m. After running the 10k, and not winning, he had to bea sizeable

t-and-f: adidas Meet TV?

Any coverage nationally or locally of the adidas Oregon Track Classic on Sunday? It has been on before. Not the meet's fault. What happened to the TV package of the Golden Spike Tour or whatever USATF drummed up? How about that great meet in Carbondale, Illinois? TFA? Raleigh? Oops. And

Re: t-and-f: adidas Meet TV?

No, no I saw it, problem is not enough people did. CBS used to show the meet live. A lot more people watch anything on CBS than anything on FoxSports NY, which is what the meet was on. I happen to have Fox Sports New York, but its not standard. MSG is standard. A lot more people have MSG as

Re: t-and-f: Webb vs Ngeny

This is ridiculous. Don't even bring up such topics. Let him be who he is. Not even a week since he breaks the near immortal Jim Ryun's record, and it has to be pointed out that Noah Ngeny is better. No fair. On those lines, you El Guerrouj is pretty good, he has run 3:26, but there is no way

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

Lets not forget that college is kind of a fun time. If I could go to school for 10 years, I would, college is great. Let the kid grow up. I've never been to Ann Arbor, but all reports suggest its a great college town. Good football team for those non-meet fall Saturdays...Tommy Amaker

t-and-f: Stanford 10k and Not Just Kennedy

There are other people in the field...other Americans even. Everybody always seems to forget about Meb Keflezighi. He was rarely a favorite to win the NCAA titles he won. Kind of a surprise to people when he won the trials. Not the guy everybody talked about before x-c nationals in

Re: t-and-f: Regionals

Coach Nick makes some good points. One more I'd like to make is that even the big track powers who send legions to nationals, win titles, produce world class athletes and so on...THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR THEIR SCHOOLS OR THE NCAA! Its a blackhole financially. College track,

Re: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US

Whoa there... This may have already been addressed, Samuelson or Benoit is from Maine, New Hampshire would be Jennings. I'm sure GH will jump this one, but Lindgren and Oregon...oooh. Thats like saying that Michael Jordan played at Duke. While Eugene and most of the Northwest are indeed often

Re: t-and-f: Where have you gone Brendan Foster? The nation turns its lonely eyes to you - woo-woo-woo ...

Why the Goucher critique here? All the running mags seem to be predicting a US distance renaissance of sorts. The latest TFN has a box about the Big 3 High Schoolers and a box on Matt Lane, 4th at the trials 5k. All the talk about the 10k guys and breaking of American records and all. How

Re: t-and-f: SACTO TRIALS: Marathon Selection

How about choosing the marathon team from a race the previous fall What would be so bad about allowing 9+ months from the selection race for recovery and a kickass training cycle? Why not allow the 3 (hopefully) men and women to use the money stipend from the trials? That amount of time

Re: t-and-f:...Meb's Foul Mouth

Yeah, just imagine if he'd gone to school in Jersey, than he would have a full mastery of the American Profanity Lexicon, in addition to his NCAA/US titles and Olympic berth. But he still would've had to run faster than he did to hold state records for 1600/mile and 3200/two mile...in fact he

t-and-f: X-C Nats Team Scores?

Do they still keep "team" scores at US Winter Nationals? If so, I was wondering in particular about the mens 12k... -Nike goes 1-3-5-7-12 by my count -adidas 2068 goes 2-9-13-30-39 by my count, and what is 2068, by the way? -Hanson's impressively goes 11-16-17-18-21 -Farm Team goes

Re: t-and-f: Badgers baby!

While I might not totally agree, I like this thread. Wisco will definitely be in the title hunt, probable trophy team. Let the Grote Poll contemplation begin! Its disrespectful to favor anybody other than Arkansas anymore, however. Its been 3 straight again for them, each year they beat a

Re: t-and-f: Badgers baby!

What about the Bros. Bickford? Both World Ranked at 10k, with Bruce being #1 in around 1986, correct? Or maybe the Bros. Mastalir as juniors? Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: Re:

Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

Wait just a cottonpickin' minute there... In all seriousness, if you want any of your argument to be respected, don't forget to mention getting rid of the walks. It would be neat to see marathoners and milers racing, but it doesn't really happen. Imagine Khannouchi and Gabe tangling at the US

Re: t-and-f: here's a wild thought...

Or maybe he should just finish high school first and show how good he is over 4/5 years at Colorado and then beyond? For what its worth (really nothing) I believe that he is pretty freaking good, better than any HS kid I've ever seen come along. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message -

Re: t-and-f: bballs, sneakers, and $

Real shoes and the insinuation of Nike being a company who makes them? I know you did not type the word Nike, but you did say "Bowerman Series". All that I have to say is, "Boing." OK, thats not the Bowerman series, but close enough. I suspect that someday hoop shoes will come back to fashion

Re: t-and-f: Re: adidas Oregon Track Classic Earns GP Status

Actually, Raleigh is still on the map, its just easy of Cary, not far from Durham or Chapel Hill. I'll bet that 99+% of the inhabitants are totally unimpressed with the disappearance of the meet, and would not trade the meet for the televised hoops victory last night (NC State over #6 UVa).

Re: t-and-f: JERMAINE LEWIS AND RON DAYNE

They both had no rushes for no yards in the Super Bowl? Dayne has a Heisman, but Jermaine has a Super Bowl win and a TD to remember the day by? At least Ron doesn't have to live in Maryland. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: suddenly it's a track meet

And of course a former state record holding discus thrower was "playing" for the Giants...Ron Dayne. Since he got ZERO carries yesterday, maybe they should have let him try to throw something, since Kerry Collins couldn't, and at least get some use out of Mr. Heisman. Grote adiRP/MMRD -

Re: t-and-f: Death of a Sportsman

Sad day indeed. Let me second Mr. Grant's words and add a few of my own. The year that Marquette won the NCAA Basketball Championship was 1977, at the Omni in Atlanta. No, I'm not looking this up, its in my messed up little head. This is my very first sports memory of any kind, I was a few

Re: t-and-f: NYC Marathon 2001 USA Championship

Hallelujah! Finally. USATF/LDR/whatever, is now playing in the Big Leagues! Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: t-and-f: NYC Marathon 2001 USA Championship From the Running USA wire:

t-and-f: Where did I say HATE?

Please cite the spot where I say that I "HATE" the walks or anything, or that I say racewalking is not "MANLY". I don't think it makes a heck of a lot of sense as a sport. It is a fine excercise. I commend anybody who finds anything that inspires passion and devotion in themselves, and pursues

Re: t-and-f: pray for the Ravens

I disagree on many levels: -First, the Giants play and practice in Jersey and most of the players live in Jersey. -Unlike most cities in the US, New York is a REAL big city, big enough that successes/failures in sports are not the be all, end all of things. Life will go on, with or without

Re: t-and-f: RK's Season

I dunno...long time no post. Have not even looked at these ratings or read everybody's rants about them, but regarding the RK fella, one big difference with him and Zatopek is that Zatopek RAN. Running is running, racewalking is a bit contrived at the very least. So, I say do the apples to

t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

. Or like having sex with your clothes. Or like playing basketball with a football. All these things are silly, and not the best means to achieving the goal of the pursuit or event. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: Mike Casey To: Ryan Grote Sent: Tuesday, January 16

t-and-f: Not Kidding, and more contrived event ideas...

Actually I wasn't kidding. I think that they should have an event to correspond with racewalking called the SissyPut. That is, shot put for weaklings under 150pounds, but taller than 5'10" (not sure on the metric coversions?). I'd like to try that. However, instead of a regular shot put, they

Re: t-and-f: Re: The World's [yuk]

If we are going to talk about baseball as a model for success, please just talk about successful baseball...The Yankees. Period. Anyway, look at what a home team hauls in each year, 81 games, with tons of concessions. Yankee Stadium has the best pretzels anywhere, at $3.75 a pop. Noboby

Re: t-and-f: gold-medal trivia question

Haile Gebresalasie?? Not sure on the World Cup, but believe pretty strongly that he did win the rest of that stuff. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: t-and-f: gold-medal trivia question

t-and-f: Ames Update From The Colonel

Just received call #1 from a true legend of our sport at 11:44. I picked up the phone, "Hello, Runners Pace" and was greeted with the question, "Ryan, do you have any woolen hats there?" My response wasa sincere, "No I donated them all to the Stanford University X-C Teams". I was then

Re: t-and-f: American Distance Club meeting at NCAA DI Championships

My only question is why is this meeting not being held in ROCHESTER, isn't that where its all going to be at Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: Andrew Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:22 AM Subject: t-and-f: American Distance

Re: t-and-f: RE: : Team USA Training Centers - How and Why?

And while you are at it, explaining things, whoever the explainer may be, can you address this issueROCHESTER Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: Steve Vaitones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: t-and-f: RE: : Team

Re: t-and-f: $$$$$ not the root of all evil.

What a wacky idea...I proposed a few years back that we make the likes of Machuka and Hanneck citizens, they were road kings for a while. Turns out Hanneck is now, but he's not the same guy. Who needs to, though, when we have a new American Record marathon from Special K, and 2 young new sub-28

t-and-f: Post-Conference Meet Grote Poll

The Grote Poll October 31, 2000 Halloween... Let me get right into it, some great conferencemeets were run which featured some inter-regional action, namely the Big East and Big 10. A few big guns were wheeled out who had not raced yet and will factor heavily at nationals. The Grote Poll

Re: t-and-f: FitSense FS-1 at the Chicago marathon expo

I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of FitSense that I've committed to carrying. I've heard good things about Sportbrain, as well. But since we are dropping reps names, a guy by the name of Ted Fitzpatrick is marketing FitSense, not a dumby as a Dartmouth grad, and a decent runner, as well. Grote

t-and-f: Grote Poll Conference Preview

This should come as an attachment, hope it works, it might not because I'm at least half a retard. Give credit to me for doing this thing on wordpad instead of email, so that I don't lose it each week when my crappy computer wigs out or logs off or whatever it does that I don't understand.

Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment

Sorry, but I'd rank Olympics #2, and NCAA D1 X-C/THE GROTE POLL far above and beyond all else at #1. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment In order of importance and

t-and-f: Best X-C Team Ever from Texas to Race at Michigan with a 1st Year Coach From Jersey...

Long title, The honor goes to Coach Jason Vigilante's University of Texas Longhorns. Coach Vig undoubtedly quelled the rioting hordes in Austin that were rampaging after the football massacre in the Red River Rivalry. Less than a week later, still smarting from the Sooner slaughter, the

t-and-f: Colorado Buffaloes

Who cares about Privolava or Provolone for that matter... Who cares about the 4 x 100 team... I do still care about the Yanks... But, most importantly, Colorado won Pre-Nats. Call it what you will, its just Pre-Nats, but they were on the top of the results, and they look pretty tough.

Re: t-and-f: Steroids and major league baseball

Nobobdy ever talks about pro basketball, the NBA. NFL and baseball are brought up, but look at the type of athleticism involved in the NBA. Explosive bursts and pretty extended exertion. Performance enhancement could come in handy. Wouldn't trainers/doctors give anything and everything to keep

Re: t-and-f: More Testicular Fortification (with permission)

Alright! What a great post. Best thing I've read in a few years. If I were still doing the Grote Poll, I would have to move NC State up just for this post. This Keller kid obviously has what it takes. Well done, my friend, well done. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: David

Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY

I agree, I've been harping on this for years, since I was in college in fact. The marathon (if done right) need not end one's track career. There are many examples of guys running marathons and then running better on the track. Main example, once again, is Alberto Salazar. Fresh out of

Re: t-and-f: Cochrane Defense for CJ...

Thats right, INNOCENT, of course, you are assuming that I am making accusations, maybe just observations. Its never OK to question an American, is it? How about Inge DeBruuin and her innocence? No outrage there, and that was on TV. All I know is that I am recently married, my wife and I

t-and-f: USATF Drug Cover-Ups...ASK D. ROBINSON

I'm stunned by the recent bombshell about potential USATF drug coverups. Gee, go figure. 8 in in 88? I wonder if anybody who won a medal was involved. I thought that only those dirty Canadian sprinters or Chinese women, or recently Dutch swimmers were juiced? Ask Darrell Robinson, HS 400m

t-and-f: Searching for HS X-C, Great American Festival Results

I saw that Mt. View, UT won or something, as did Webb, anybody have a website with full results. Figuring I'll start following the HS ranks more until they are all ganked just like those darned Canadian sprinters and Dutch swimmers. Grote adiRP

t-and-f: Hood To Coast!!!!! Brussells, Schmussells...

Will there be any sort of website with good updates and quick results from Hood To Coast? Who cares if MJ's is OK and runs 43something. He couldn't hack THE relay of all relays. What I really want to know is how McVeigh and his evil shin hold up on that first leg, as well as the rest of

t-and-f: Asking About Winter X-C Nats Again...

Know that this question has been asked, but haven't seen an answer yet, so here it goes:Where are the February X-C Nationals and Trials for 2001? You know the one where they have like 16 different races. Won't ask the question again of why the hell we have two different national meets in

t-and-f: Oslo: Smiling Sammy?

Watched the broadcast on the deuce last night and was happy with the coverage and the broadcasters, but I have one bone to pick with Larry Rawson regarding 5000m winner Sammy Kipketer. He wasn't smiling. It may look like it, but no offense to the guy, he just has big teeth that stick out

Re: t-and-f: Regina and Marathoners--Compare to Joanie...

when in the dark ages of the early 80's, when there was only 1 ESPN channel, no VH1, and Roger Clemens was just a young Red Sox hurler? Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: mike fanelli To: Ryan Grote ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 2:04 AM Subject