Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?

I've always wondered about this. What about Bubka's 6.15 indoors? Is that now considered the WR, not his 6.14 outdoors? I guess whoever wants to take a shot at it should go for at least 6.16 to be safe. s.devereaux --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To say nothing of retractable roofs, roofs that

Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???

Just curious, how many of Barton's 20 years of championships came after the demise of Blinn? The Austin American-Statesman had a long article on the Blinn program at the time it was dropped and I remember a Blinn spokesman specifically saying that they needed to add a women's sport (softball or

Re: t-and-f: World Cup Team Selection?

Here's the reason according to Monique's own webpage (www.moniquedewilt.com): I am in the Europe team. As Germany and Russia have their own teams I was the next best girl in the European championships. Her page is quite good by the way. The diary entries about life on the euro circuit are

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

how about indoor track at the winter olympics? --- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:19:12 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

When is the IOC naming the host of the 2012 games? If its anytime around when and if the US invades Iraq you can count the US out of the running due to the unpopularity of that abroad. And no this isn't an invitation to discuss your agenda for/against invading. But it could have a dramatic

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

shouldn't be a problem then. collective memory is very short. invade away. (note for the dense: that was sarcasm.) --- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the U.S. bidder will be chosen Nov. 3 of this year. From: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: t-and-f: CU Head Coach Mark Wetmore Interview

Anyone who thinks IAAF and USATF wants a truly clean sport is crazy. Stars are what sell the sport (not just track but all sports) to the casual fan. Even the playing field and there are fewer stars to sell and those that are left don't shine quite as bright as before. That's a decent enough

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

The major difference between Webb, Woods, and Bryant is that Woods was guaranteed millions in sponsorships the day he quit college whether he panned out or not. Same for Kobe, plus several million in signing bonuses from the Lakers. I'll take a guess and say that Webb's sponsorship is well below

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

Hate to ask the obvious, but not being hip to distance running... Webb is extremely good for an american 19 year old, but is he actually good enough to be invited to meets that would allow him to earn money from running outside of the shoe contract? I can't see the title of HS mile recordholder

Re: t-and-f: World Team Track -- it would save the sport

Could someone from USATF explain why they won't even consider trying this format or one similar? What are they scared of? Lower ratings? Fewer spectators? --- Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike This is very similar to the format proposal I submitted for the Golden Spike Tour. I

Re: t-and-f: Re: RR - Track field still a team sport

How about a prize structure like: 1st 5,000 2nd 3,000 3rd 2,000 4th 1,000 5th 750 6-8 500 -total per event: 13,250 -total 12 event meet: 159,000 -Only invite 8 per event, give each $500 travel/hotel money: add another $48,000 (96 athletes). that'll easily cover a southwest flight anywhere plus a

Re: t-and-f: Re: RR - Track field still a team sport

I suggested May just so you can require the top athletes to compete in the top American meets. Have it in July and the athletes still disappear to Europe before and after nationals. The month after the national meet is when meets can best be marketed with the current top americans competing.

Re: t-and-f: Re: RR - Track field still a team sport

If track ever has a hope of regaining popularity as a spectator sport, it's going to have to put the stars on the track week in and week out competing to win. What other sport can you think of where tuning in you have no firm idea who is going to compete? Fans of no other sport would settle for

Re: t-and-f: cDonnell quote

I've always wondered why the athletic departments don't do more TV advertising themselves. Every major college has a Radio/TV/Film department, so the equipment and free labor (interns) are there to film and produce a 30 second commercial. Commercial time for cable stations (ESPN, MTV, etc.) can

Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records

I don't know how other states work...but another problem that occurs in Texas is that there are State Records and Official State Records. Official State Records can only be set at the State Meet. I guess so the UIL can ensure the incompetency of the officiating. Athletes are always breaking the

Re: t-and-f: Hennig suspended for using steroid

What's bizarre is he effectively retired after the 2000 Olympic Trials, so he had no reason to keep juicing. We were discussing this today at the TX meet and figured he was still juicing so he could look the part for his personal training business he does at a local fitness center. He did

Re: t-and-f: Martinique

Results are at www.athle.com the direct link is: http://www.athle.com/asp/mai_bases/fra_lst.asp?rchsai=5rchtyp=009MEETING+IAAF+IPM+%2D+Fort%2Dde%2DFrance++%2827%2F04%29 --- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the weekend at Fort-de-France, Martinique: Allen Johnson 13.04

Re: t-and-f: Banning the Pole Vault in Indiana

First off, the deaths are occuring at facilities that break rules to start with. The rules state that any hard surface surrounding the pit shall be padded. Seems that exposed concrete is the deciding factor in each of these deaths. A huge factor is the unnecessary weight-limit imposed on high

Re: t-and-f: Banning the Pole Vault in Indiana

The thing that bothers me about helmet legislation is that it addresses a symptom not the problem...but I will say I'm more open to the idea than before. The reason vaulters flip out of the back of the pit and hit there head is: A. the pole is far too soft B. the rarer, the vaulter is holding far

Re: t-and-f: Initial Thoughts on New York Pole Vault Legislation

Just curious, are there any vaulting fatalities on a regular basis anywhere in the world except the US? I don't remember ever hearing of any other than the 2 or 3 per year that happen here. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com

Re: t-and-f: Indoor Venue trivia question

The PV Summit is now held at the Hilton Hotel Conference Center. Previously it was at the UN-Reno's track facility which is also the local Rodeo Arena. It has a banked wood track, not sure on length. There appears to be seating for 5,000+. 1,000 spectators only filled a couple of sections on one

Re: t-and-f: Regional flaw

Qualifying standards may not be the best way to get the athletes to nationals, but it's the only way to ensure that the top 10 athletes in each event actually get to the meet. Regionals may be good from a fan perspective by adding a meet that means something, but nationals could possibly be

Re: t-and-f: SEC Champs and regional qualifying

Would athletes still chase marks if there wasn't a standard, but NCs just took the top 16 performances? I think the average of the top 3 performances away from your home track would be better though. s.devereaux Edward Koch wrote: If we had regional qualifying, athletes might be able to

t-and-f: US Indoor Champs

Just spent some time looking over Friday's results and start lists for Saturday Were some college teams allowed to enter virtually their entire team just to fill out the field? Purdue has athletes in most events, with marks well below the qualifying standard Example: Pooh Williams in the men's

Re: t-and-f: POLE VAULT

Helmets may prevent some head injuries from lower impact accidents like flipping out of the back of the pit, but they also elevate the head allowing a greater chance for the vaulter to break their neck. Also, there is no such thing a vaulting helmet. The helmets used are for roller blading, not

Re: t-and-f: What about pole vault spotters?

You can't really catch a vaulter, that's a lot of weight dropping through the air. But, I've pushed many an errant jumper while they're in the air from landing on chairs, hurdles, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: At the risk of confirming my stupidity and opening a fresh scab, I need to

Re: t-and-f: Re: Penn State Tragedy

Whether you fall head first on to a metal box mounted in concrete from 14 feet on a steel pole or from 18 feet on a fiberglass pole, odds are you are going to die. Pole material had absolutely nothing to do with it. From the accounts I've seen, he didn't move the pole to vertical and got upside

Re: t-and-f: University Vault Opportunity?

On a related note, here's a really good idea from a british high school high jumper. she made a web page with video of herself competing, scanned images of her transcripts, SAT scores, press clippings, etc. in an effort to get a scholarship. It must have worked, she's going to UTEP in the fall.

Re: t-and-f: What track can learn from Winter Games

Hey now, you already get point deductions in the vault for your success of executing a Volz or no deductions for superior ability of convincing the judges of your innocent intentions when Volzing the bar. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: The horrid judging at Salt Lake City has generated an

[Fwd: t-and-f: What track can learn from Winter Games]

? Robert Hersh wrote: Message text written by Shawn Devereaux Hey now, you already get point deductions in the vault for your success of executing a Volz or no deductions for superior ability of convincing the judges of your innocent intentions when Volzing the bar. Intent is not relevant

t-and-f: pole vault summit results?

If anybody has the pole vault summit elite results from last night, please pass them on. thanks, s.devereaux _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

Patrick Swayze was a pole vaulter at Houston Scarborough HS. Garth Brooks threw the javelin for Oklahoma State. Axl Rose, of all people, was a sprinter at some Indiana HS. Shaquile O'Neal long ran track, at least as a freshman, at San Antonio Cole HS. No idea what events though. [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: dude with jump/run range

A coulda, woulda, shoulda guy would be Robert Strait from Cuero High School, TX. At the time in '89, he was the #2 running back of all-time in Texas with over 8,000 yds rushing. At our district meet he won the HJ (6'6), 100m (10.8ish), LJ (23' ish), SP (60'), and anchored the winning

t-and-f: pole vault qualifying question

for the men's qualifying round yesterday, 5.75 was the automatic qualifier, or the best 12, for the finals. 13 cleared 5.70 and the bar never advanced to 5.75. Rens Blom of the Netherlands was left out of the final based on misses, even though he could have got in if he had the opportunity to

Re: t-and-f: pole vault qualifying question

Thanks to everybody for all the answers. My confusion was from the fact that the IAAF website has Blom listed as a non-qualifier. s.devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/8/01 04:59:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for the men's qualifying round yesterday, 5.75 was the

Re: FW: t-and-f: EPO Question/steroids

I was told once that when an announcement is made that so-and-so athlete is suspended for breaking unspecified team rules, this usually means a failed drug test. s.devereaux Highfill, Floyd wrote: I'm sure Universities do try to cover up positive tests, but most of the positive results are

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA roster for World Championshipsannounced

Russ Buller will be replacing Lawrence Johnson in the pole vault. Johnson suffered a leg fracture at USATFs. s.devereaux Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Yeah, but didn't Clark announce this a while ago? Christine Clifton was named to the team and then decided not to run about 3 weeks ago and was

Re: t-and-f: Indoor WRs to fall like snow in 2012?

Didn't the Astrodome have a track wy back in the day? Something like a 300m track or something odd like that? What would the seating capacity be? 50,000? s.devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: No, I didn't make this one up: HOUSTON (AP) -- The Astrodome is 36 years old and

Re: t-and-f: Youth question

From personal observation, I would think that in Texas there is very little participation in USATF youth meets compared to AAU. There are so few competitors in some events at the first USATF qualifying meet, they just qualify you for the next meet for showing up and don't contest the event. This

Re: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was a huge loss to the sport

That's the problem. Nationals should be considered the equivalent of the league championship series - a necessary step to get to the world series, not the all star game. I doubt there's one baseball player who cops out of that game. s.devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated

Re: TF Fw: t-and-f: Pole vault question

- From: Shawn Devereaux To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: Track Field List Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:20 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Pole vault question Five alive is the process of having only 5 athletes in the rotation at any given time. The purpose is to prevent very long delays between jumps

Re: t-and-f: Pole vault question

Five alive is the process of having only 5 athletes in the rotation at any given time. The purpose is to prevent very long delays between jumps for each athlete. It works like this: You have 26 athletes entered named A-Z. (o=clear, x=miss). First five jump at Bar 1. A - o B - x C - o D - x E -

Re: t-and-f: Mt. SAC chatter

I believe Tarasov opened at 5.90 (19-4 1/4) once two years ago when he jumped 5.90+ in like 18 of 20 competitions. Not too sure though. When was the last time 3 Americans jumped over 19-feet in the same competition? s.devereaux Margaret Robert Tatar wrote: PV: LoJo opened at 19-03/4 -- and

Re: t-and-f: stripper

I agree. She's way too attractive to be a cross country runner. s.devereaux Randall Northam wrote: on 14/4/01 9:01 PM, alan tobin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh god, let's not drag this out into a 100 post discussion about the moral values of America... I'm assuming that Eamon Condon

Re: Fw: t-and-f: huge NCAA news!

Will the regions covers schools or conferences? Some conferences, like the SEC, are so spread out they could have schools that fall in 2 regions or more. s.devereaux Bruce Lehane wrote: The regions will run north to south. The largest number of schools are found in the eastern region,

t-and-f: track athlete kicked off team for being a stripper

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/2000/20010328/lo/345491_1.html

Re: t-and-f: DI Regional Qualifying Discussion

The Texas State Championship draws 7,000 to 20,000 per session. The overall attendance is always easily above 40,000 total. I remember one number announced when it was still at Memorial Stadium was over 60,000. I don't know how many actual "unique" attendees that is though. A good portion of the

t-and-f: NCAA pole vault

Could someone please provide the jumpoff series for the men's vault competition? Thanks. s.devereaux -- "I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't give a damn."

Re: t-and-f: water vs coke

Wasn't a distance runner a few years back almost suspended for too high of levels of caffiene? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netters Ed wrote: That said, many ultrarunners (even some of the good ones) swear by defizzed coke during a race of 50 miles or longer. It seems clear that both the

Re: t-and-f: virus warrning

A good rule of thumb: any email that says "forward to as many people as possible" is ALWAYS a hoax. s.d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it safe to assume that any virus notification that contains the phrase "most deadly virus yet" is always a hoax? gh (aka happy Mac user who is immune to

Re: t-and-f: can you justify metric measure?

Kinda on subject... At the '99 World Champs, Dominic Johnson from St. Lucia was threatened with disqualification for attempting to measure his run with an Imperial tape measure. I guess the Spanish hate the Imperial system as much as Americans hate the metric system. s.devereaux "Mcewen, Brian

Re: t-and-f: world records

On a much smaller scale, Texas is already this way for high school competition. State records can only be set at the state meet. This is specifically done so the UIL can control the conditions a record is set under and make sure the officiating is up to par. There are marks out there that are

Re: t-and-f: Pocatello: The rest of the story

It's not unusual at all to have the progression hit 1cm above the 'even' heights. I tell every vaulter I work with to vault at odd bars 1-2cm above an even 5cm/10cm progression just for ranking purposes. For example, the NCAA provisional standard of 5.25m will most likely qualify two of the five

t-and-f: world records

In an article on Yahoo News, it's now being said that Dragila's last "WR" at Pocatello was at a non-sanctioned meet, whatever that means. Anyway, has anybody ever considered the idea of only allowing marks at World Championships or Olympic Games to be eligible for a world record? That would get

Re: t-and-f: Re: Vault Summit/Reno News Stories

Reno results, except for the most interesting divisions (elite, open 1, etc.) are now posted at http://www.polevaultsummit.com CHRIS KUYKENDALL wrote: Here are some links to three Reno newspaper stories, although without any more results than the winning marks Walt Murphy reported

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

If you do get rid of some of the existing marks, what marks do you use for the world records? Do you go back to the original mark bettered by the current world record? What about all the marks in between the old world record and the current? There's a strong likelihood that those athletes were

Re: t-and-f: Clubs

I like the club idea, but how does the club system handle the disparity in talent among the "sub-elite" athletes? You'll have to take into account the on-the-bubble 100m guys running 10.3-10.5 and also the weekend warrior types running 12.0+. The 10.3 guys won't get a lot of benefit running

Re: t-and-f: Re: The World's [yuk]

The last couple of years the Texas Relays were in Memorial Stadium, during the downtime between races the announcer would lead the crowd in cheering on the field eventers while they were being shown live on the Jumbotron. This was really cool and gave the entire stadium an up close view of the

Re: t-and-f: Buying drugs and income

If you live near the Mexican border in the US, it's not uncommon for Americans to cross the border to take advantage of the low prices for the same brand drugs. Happens quite a bit in Texas anyway. Even though you technically can't bring prescription drugs back across the border without a US

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2 scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or able to score 30-40 points per meet to get a full ride. Compared to

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

There's an obvious reason why college coaches can't be relied upon to develop a grass roots program. University assistant coaches probably have an average salary of $10,000 a year for a full-time job. You can barely live in Guatamala on that, much less the US. Most I've seen either have a second

Re: t-and-f: Khannouchi, a rare (?) double NR holder

Dimitry Markov, pole vault, Belarus - 6.00m Australia - 5.95m. The Belarussian record is actually the Oceania "continential" all-comers record since it was set in New Zealand. Radion Gataullin, pole vault, held national records for Uzbekistan (5.90m), Soviet Union (indoor record - 6.00m),

Re: t-and-f: One US winner in Santiago - sort of...

Another problem for the US is that very few American kids in high school are track-only athletes. Boys will usually play football (unless they're distance guys in CC), but either way, they began practice for both of those sports before the school year begins, usually in very early August and the

Re: t-and-f: Who wants to be a millionaire?

They'll surely dumb-down the questions ala Celebrity Jeopardy. It'll be interesting to see if they choose Olympians with large incomes or Olympians living on $12K a year who could really use the entire cash prize rather than sending half to a multi-million dollar charity organization.

t-and-f: HGH

http://www.prohghsymbiotropin.com/ I don't know if this is actually the HGH banned in track, but it's endorsed by the Green Bay Packers. s.devereaux

t-and-f: AOC deny Grigorieva drug rumour

AOC deny Grigorieva drug rumour Source: AAP SYDNEY - The Australian Olympic Committee yesterday categorically refuted a report circulating in the German media that women's pole vault silver medallist Tatiana Grigorieva had failed a doping test. German news agency DPA reported that IAAF

t-and-f: World Junior entry standard

Could someone please email me with the entry standard(s) for the men's pole vault for the World Juniors. I've got a Brazilian kid jumping 16' after only 1 month at the event, and I'd like to get him a mark to go. thanks, s.devereaux

Re: t-and-f: Now I get it

I've always felt that if athletes at the USATF NC competed under the banner of their home state, it would garner a hell of a lot more attention from the media and sports fans in general. It's really hard finding a guy to root for if he's competing for Nike or Joe Bob's Athletics Club if you're a

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: FW: Olympic Trials - a better method?

If you can't get it up for 1 meet every 4 years stay at home, you don't deserve to go. If you can't handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Trials how are you going to handle the pressure of do-or-die in the Olympics? There's dozens of athletes in your event that have worked just as hard as you

Re: t-and-f: Olympic Trials - a better method?

/100th of a second, or 1cm on one given day. That's interesting drama and that's good TV. s.devereaux Roger Ruth wrote: Shawn Devereaux, in an oft-repeated theme of this thread, wrote: If you can't get it up for 1 meet every 4 years stay at home, you don't deserve to go. If you can't handle

Re: t-and-f: Americans competing for other countries in the Olympics.

Actually, Hintnaus made the '80 US OG Team for what that's worth. I don't know if he competed in the '80 OG though, but if he did, the boycott probably pissed him off enough to jump for Brazil. s.devereaux "R.T." wrote: True had planned on competing in the U.S. trials, but decided that the