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What few kids do now in the USA is incorporate moving over the ground as
part of childhood play. Long before I thought of running on a team in a
competition I ran around
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Tom - and others - are right about how active we were in the good
old
days (yeah, I think they were), but it was far more than cowboys and
Indians. After all, we
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Yes, after cowboys and indians came middle school age football. My parents
might give me a ride to saturday practice or a game but they would never
come the 2 miles to hang around and pick me up so I and all the other guys
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Yes, after cowboys and indians came middle school age football. My
parents
might give me a ride to saturday practice or a game but they would never
come the 2 miles to hang around and pick me up so I
Mike Contopoulos says:
There is not one solid reason why getting your son out there running at
an
early age is any worse than having him play any other sport at an early age.
Because distance running IS NOT any other sport. Last time I checked it
was more stressful than golf and baseball,
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Mike Contopoulos says:
There is not one solid reason why getting your son out there running at
an
early age is any worse than having him play any other sport at an early
on 4/9/01 16:50, Tom Derderian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our horses were painted sticks with shoe laces for reins.
You were lucky. We played cops and robbers with just fingers for guns. (with
apologies to Monty Python)
Randall Northam
What few kids do now in the USA is incorporate moving over the ground as
part of childhood play. Long before I thought of running on a team in a
competition I ran around for transportation, back in my 1950s childhood, in my
dungarees and US keds. Running was part of play
This is partly the more
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This is partly the more protective parent of today's doing. My kids
routinely play games involving running which has them stretching the
'comfort zone' for my wife. We often 'discuss' where the boundaries
should be and I find that my boundaries as a
What would your reaction be to your own child (not as a coach or knowledgable runner,
but as a parent)? What would most parents be today?
Today's parents are also always right with the kids of all ages in many sports all the
time. Thus you have 5 hour trips to soccer matches - something
In a message dated Fri, 31 Aug 2001 3:09:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael
Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you believe in training at or just below your
latcic threshold for the majority of your runs, there is no reason to ever be puking
post workout.
Next time somebody asks
GH wrote:
Next time somebody asks me why we went 30 years between HS sub-4:00 milers
I'll cite this line of thinking.
gh
ps--who said anything about puking POST workout? Unless you'ree from the
wussy school of training you puke DURING your workout.
I remember a workout one day back in
My $0.02 on the pukinghard work issue.
In high school I puked after every interval workout and *every* race. In
college I found that the times when I got about about 40 miles a week
(which actually wasn't that often) I *never* puked after a race or
interval. The difference was that I could
On Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:32:23 EDT, GH wrote:
ps--who said anything about puking POST workout? Unless you'ree from the wussy school
of training you puke DURING your workout.
My son puked this year 15 meters before the finish line of his anchor
leg for a 4x400 relay!
(admittedly, he said he
Paul Talbot writes:
In college I found that the times when I got about about 40 miles a week
(which actually wasn't that often) I *never* puked after a race or
interval. The difference was that I could recover faster. Puking isn't a
function of working hard, most of the time it's a function of
Throw up stories.
Bob Kempainen threw up at about the 22 mile mark of the men's marathon
trials in Charlotte in '96. It was live on TV. He immediately picked up the
pace and ran away from his pursuers.
I coached an 8th grade boy some years ago who threw up every time he pr'd.
He improved from
Yeah, tell me about it, our school had a really lousy cafeteria too.
Tom Derderian
I remember a workout one day back in high school where everyone was doing
speed work -sprinters, hurdlers, distance runners, jumpers .. Seemed like
at
any one given moment half the team was kneeling beside the
Netters
Michael Contopoulos writes:
American's start running too late. We need to get our kids out there and
running at 6 years old. You wouldn't think twice shoving your kid off to
soccer practice, giving him tennis lessons, or signing him up for little
league...
Yes, I would think
at an
early age is any worse than having him play any other sport at an early age.
M
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Netters
Michael
Michael Contopoulos writes:
I ask you why?
Because the injury rates are higher and the risk of never being able to
compete later is higher and because the succsess rate is so low. To be
clear for every one kid that is good at 15 there are thousands who lie in a
waste land of burnout and
I ask you why? Once again, age group swimming is widely popular. You see
tennis players begin and even go on the tour at age 14 or 15 (Sampras beat
Lendl in the US Open at 19... Capriatti had to be 15 when she was first
became a stud, etc). No one thinks twice about sending their kid out
No, I don't have kids. And when I do, I'm not going to make him go out and
run 60 miles a week at 10 years old. What I will do, however, is invite him
out for runs with his old man. Maybe invite he and his friends along too...
then they can do it together if they like it. I will let my son
be burned out. Either way, I'm
sure I would have been happy.
M
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I
I ask you why? Once again, age group swimming is widely popular. You
see
tennis players begin and even go on the tour at age 14 or 15 (Sampras
beat
Lendl in the US Open at 19... Capriatti had to be 15 when she was first
became a stud, etc). No one thinks twice about sending their kid
I do have kids, girls, 10 and 12. Last week we ran a x-c relay together
4x2.5 miles with Cynthia. We did the same thing last year. They took it
seriously, especially the sprinting to the hand off at the end. A nice
family thing and matching t-shirts. I did expect them to run faster than
last year
As a kid in the sixties, starting at about age 7 or so, I was always
involved in some sport or physical activity, but most of the time
with little adult imposed structure, including tennis, hockey,
football, baseball, bicycling, and running. When my friends and
I were a little older, we used to
I think our minds have been tainted by phony juniors running
13:00 and 7:58 steeples and we are psyched out.
Who's getting psyched out? Certainly not our juniors who for the most part unaware of
what Kenyan athletes are doing. Pick a random HS cross team and ask them
what the WJR's are and
shagging flies for hours upon hours as a kid... every day.
Hardly the most fun thing to do.
Say what? I still go out and shag flies occasionally for enjoyment. As a matter of
fact this is how I discovered as a kid that I liked to run. I hoped whoever was
hitting would hit the ball as far
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I think our minds have been tainted by phony juniors running
13:00 and 7:58 steeples and we are psyched out.
Who's getting psyched out
Michael Contopoulos wrote:
Yes, I would think twice about sending my children out. There are a lot of
things that we can do here to improve athletics but special training at age
6 is not one of them
I ask you why? Once again, age group swimming is widely popular. You see
tennis
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote:
I can only go by personal experience. I can honestly say that by the time I
was a junior in high school, I knew all the world records, junior world
records, etc. With the presence of the internet, I would bet that the best
kids on most teams
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote:
I can only go by personal experience. I can honestly say that by the
time I
was a junior in high school, I knew all the world records
I can only go by personal experience. I can honestly say that by the time I
was a junior in high school, I knew all the world records, junior world
records, etc. With the presence of the internet, I would bet that the best
kids on most teams know what is going on internationally.
When I was
I'm sure more than you think know that there are people out there who
run sub 3:30 and sub 1:44. Thanks to sites like Letsrun.com and the late
(RIP) tnfmedia, how couldn't people know? I say again, if they don't, well,
that's just one more factor as to why our country has fallen behind, and
Because the injury rates are higher and the risk of never being able to
compete later is higher and because the succsess rate is so low. To be
clear for every one kid that is good at 15 there are thousands who lie in
a waste land of burnout and injury.
That is precisely the reason why Kenya
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Alan, I yet to see why this is bad. They may have 1000s that burn out or
get injured, but they have the best top end runners also... as well as being
the deepest country in the world. Give me 1000 quality runners and I would
rather have 10 guys who can compete with anyone in the world and
Never said it was bad. The reason why Kenya is so dominant is BECAUSE they
have thousands burn out. I'm all for young kids running hard at a young age,
but only if they want to. I know many young kids who join local running
clubs in their youth. If in order to have 10 medal-caliber runners we
In a message dated Fri, 31 Aug 2001 8:04:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael
Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is not one solid reason why getting your son out there running at an early
age is any worse than having him play any other sport at an early age.
The key word there is
Michael wrote:
Alan, I yet to see why this is bad. They may have 1000s that burn out or
get injured, but they have the best top end runners also... as well as
being
the deepest country in the world. Give me 1000 quality runners and I
would
rather have 10 guys who can compete with anyone in
at or just below your
latcic threshold for the majority of your runs, there is no reason to ever
be puking post workout.
M
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To become proficient at running you need to have ongoing barf sessions. Not
exactly what the average kid is looking for for entertainment.
gh
If you are barfing you are not doing it right.
malmo
First thing that popped into my mind after this thread began is Alan Webb.
He would currently seem to be our prime successful example of one who
started at an early age and trained hard who's now head and shoulders above
most others in the U.S. in terms of his development. However, a key point
is
Thank you Malmo... I addressed this already :-)
Mike
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:47:42 EST
To become proficient at running you need to have
alan tobin writes:
That is precisely the reason why Kenya has so many good runners because they
have thousands more who burnout or get injuried. At a young age they train,
train, train and those who make it go on to greatness and those who don't
lay burned out or injuried on the sidelines
What do Tiger Woods, Andre Agassi, Mickey Mantle, and Haile Gebreselassie
all have in common?
They all were/are the best in their sport.
They all started their discipline from basically the time they could walk.
American's start running too late. We need to get our kids out there and
running
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