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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder > > > Simply re-asserting your passionate belief in the veracity of the current > system contributes nothing to the debate. . No-one > argues against the need for a single trials meet

t-and-f: The system, Not an answer. MCRS is the answer

Randy, Unbelievable!! I think that you just argued my point for me. Maybe we should just use the Malmo Computer Ranking System (MCRS). I have the system on an Excel spreadsheet available to anyone who asks. Here's the criteria: APPENDIX III CATEGORIES OF COMPETITIONS SIGN DESCRIPTION OT Olympi

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take a survey where anonymity is assured, and THEN see what answers you get from American elite athletes. RT --Original Message-- From: northam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: posting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: August 11, 2000 4:44:12 PM GMT Subject: t-and-f: The system >Th

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jp said: I love watching the steeple >but put a dozen Kenyans in the race along with the other 3 or 4 best in the >world based on time with no Americans and my interest diminishes greatly >and I am a hard-core fan. With a statement like that how can you possibly be a hard core fan? What doe

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Gee guy's is the the main reason for the fixing of "the system" because MJ and MG didn't make the team ? Come on don't you feel insulted by MG's magical hamstring cure, why are you trying to rally him on the team. And MJ though I feel his injury was legitimate I don't think he(ego) would allow him

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In a message dated 8/11/00 10:00:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Nonsense. There are 101 ways to ensure objective criteria for selection of non-3rd place finishers which avoids selection committee politics. For example: Third place athlete gets picked unless there is another athlete who fulf

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fter consultation. Agree safeguards to prevent false injury > claims. Easy. > > Justin > > > -- > > From: Bruce Glikin > > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:59 pm > > To: Justin Clouder; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EM

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Everyone is posting notes as to how to improve the selection procedure for the Olympic track team, and they are all making the same unnecessary assumption. The assumption is that some single fixed solution will repair all the problems. It is far more likely that the best remedy for

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CTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: "the system" > > In a message dated 8/10/2000 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << got beat by someone getting away with a false start (as may > easily have happenned in the 100m). >>

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ustin > -- > From: Bruce Glikin > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:59 pm > To: Justin Clouder; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Holloway' > Subject: RE: t-and-f: "the system" > > > >

t-and-f: The system

>The system, like democracy, is a terrible form, but all the others are so >much worse. For example: How would who decide which, "UNCONNECTED WITH >ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE" problem is more of a problem if two or more matched >athletes cannot compete in the trials? The relief I can see is from above.

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In response to those advocating taking only the top 16 or whatever number per event in the Olympics regardless of country I say "Open your eyes to reality. Except for a few hard core fans who should be watching the Gran Prix final as it is the answer to your wants, most people around the world

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In a message dated 8/10/2000 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << got beat by someone getting away with a false start (as may easily have happenned in the 100m). >> I hate to nitpick, but misinformation is one of my petpeeves. In the 100m Brian Lewis was the one tha

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Justin Clouder wrote: <> So long as their is competition within a single nation for a limited number of team spots, this desire will never be possible. Saying that three from a particular nation can completely represent the "best" is patently false. Who's to say that a 100m finalist in the US c

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In a message dated 8/11/00 09:13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << So long as their is competition within a single nation for a limited number of team spots, this desire will never be possible. Saying that three from a particular nation can completely represent the "best" is patently false. Who'

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> Why does it have to be the case that he/she was "over the hill"? If you get > injured or have an off-day, you're "over the hill", are you? > > Further, it can only be said that the third place person "earned a spot" if > the three automatic places system is used. Without this system in

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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Holloway' Subject: RE: t-and-f: "the system"

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In order to determine whether or not a system works you must first understand what it's goals are .. In this case the goal is to provide a team to compete in the Olympic games .. But just what are the Olympic games ?? The presumption seems to be that the US is supposed to be sending its best to co

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, R.T. wrote: > If the IOC also threw out "B" standard qualifiers at > the same time, along with the "each country can enter one > person in each sport", countries like Kenya would no longer feel > obligated to take the single 100m sprinter, the single long > jumper, and so fort

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:33:49 -0500, Mike Holloway wrote: >I again wonder what goes through the minds of some of the people on this list, Track >& field in this country especially in the sprints is at the level that it is because >of head to head competition. So now that two of our "STARS" had

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:25:24 -0400, Joe McVeigh wrote: >One example is that the KAAA may not be able to afford to >send something like 12 steeplechasers, 8 5k runners, 8 10k >runners, and the like, to the games. If the IOC also threw out "B" standard qualifiers at the same time, along with the "

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The system, like democracy, is a terrible form, but all the others are so much worse. For example: How would who decide which, "UNCONNECTED WITH ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE" problem is more of a problem if two or more matched athletes cannot compete in the trials? The relief I can see is from above. If

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th win their main events in WR times. Justin > -- > From: Michael Holloway > Reply To: Michael Holloway > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 2:33 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: "the system" &

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RT schrieb am 10.08.2000: >It's important for ALL the best athletes to be there. Has >nothing to do with medal count. und Dirk Wagner schrieb: > So why don´t we send the top 16 of the world leading list in each > disciplin to the top events? > Deadline should be 6 Weeks before the games. > >

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> 08/10/00 06:32PM >>> - Original Message - From: Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:46 PM Subject: t-and-f: "the system" > Justin wrote: > > The problem with the British system is that the

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- Original Message - From: Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 5:30 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: "the system" > From: "Paul Halford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:30:50 GMT, you wrote: >From: "Paul Halford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>If those athletes who are allowed a chance to gain that third place happen >>to be ones who dominate their event and would probably medal but >>under-performed or were injured at the trials, what's the harm

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From: "Paul Halford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >If those athletes who are allowed a chance to gain that third place happen >to be ones who dominate their event and would probably medal but >under-performed or were injured at the trials, what's the harm? The harm is done to the person who finished thir

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- Original Message - From: Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:46 PM Subject: t-and-f: "the system" > Justin wrote: > > The problem with the British system is that the 3rd athlete gets picked by >

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Justin wrote: >>>The problem with the American system is that the 3rd athlete gets picked automatically. The reason this is a problem is that it gives no room to allow for pure bad luck on the part of good athletes which has nothing to do with athletic performance. Hartwig, Johnson and Greene "fa

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RT schrieb am 10.08.2000: >It's important for ALL the best athletes to be there. Has >nothing to do with medal count. So why don´t we send the top 16 of the world leading list in each disciplin to the top events? Deadline should be 6 Weeks before the games. Then there will be no "tourists" at

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> The simple truth is that the US is not strong enough any more to allow for > so many great athletes to fall by the wayside. >Why is it so important to you that the U.S. send its strongest >possible >team to the games? Is the American medal count really what >matters? It's important for ALL th

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I offer to you...Baseball's All Star Game. Each year the fans select the starters and then the manager selects the rest of the 25 man team. Each year...the fans select players who have had brilliant careers and are on the down side of their playing days. People vote for name players. They u

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From: Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: t-and-f: "the system" <> I don't think there is any good consensus on what is the "Olympic ideal." Given the general American perspective that what is most important is that the process be fair and that e

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: While I'm not sold that the US Trials' goal is to select the athletes most likely to win medals at the Games, I find it interesting that this discussion has arisen again after the MJ/Mo double DNF in Sacramento. Neither are all that disadvantaged in

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: > The simple truth is that the US is not strong enough any more to allow for > so many great athletes to fall by the wayside. Why is it so important to you that the U.S. send its strongest possible team to the games? Is the American medal count really w

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d it's not > changing". There will never be world peace either, but that doesn't mean I > can't argue that it would be a good thing. > > > -- > > From: Michael J. Roth > > Reply To: Michael J. Roth > > Sent: Wednesday, A

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ue that it would be a good thing. > -- > From: Michael J. Roth > Reply To: Michael J. Roth > Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2000 5:23 pm > To: Track Listserve > Subject: t-and-f: "the system" > > Its really sad that every complains a

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Its really sad that every complains about the evil "system" that prevented Hartwig, MJ & Mo from competing in Sydney. HELLO, it is not the system, it is the athlete. We have the fairest trials in the world. Stop the bitching, cause none of them has complained once. If the athlete fails here, w