The BBC radio had Sebastian Coe for at least part
of the time. And a friend of mine just got back
yesterday from Finland, where he said Coe was also
a guest commentator on TV. [my spell-check
says I'm spelling Finish wrong- hah!]
Anyway, back to BBC radio, on Sunday they goaded Coe
into
Amazing and amusing stories...
(but how about a couple of US athletes who are also built like tanks. How
does one know if they belong to the not caught? ...or do bad guys hail
exclusively from Greece and former USSR republics...)
UG
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Phill, good call. Was anyone else pissed off when they were showing the 10k
and the camera went from the track to focus on the announcers faces? What,
they couldn't continue to say what they were saying without being seen?
We're not watching the WC to see Carol and MJ... we're watching them
Ed Parrot asked:
I'd be curious when the last time a 5K was shown in its entirety on
U.S. television at any time other than late at night or during the
TripleCast in 1992. I can't remember a time...
I recall clearly that NBC, on a Sunday afternoon, showed the entire
men's 5,000 final back in
Someone correct me if they know differently, but there WAS a problem
with
the testing protocol - they didn't do a blood test. The IAAF procedure is
to do a blood test first, which can detect EPO usage up to 4-6 weeks prior,
followed by a follow-up urine test.
This is all correct, except for
I think that the key to a successful surge is you have to make it so
convincing that you own the other person that they quit. Radcliffe was
unsuccessful in the WC 10k because she surged without breaking everybody.
She made a mistake in thinking she should save something for later. If she
had
Malmo asked:
Cruz mostly African ancestry?
Well, heck - if you go back far enough, we're ALL of mostly African
ancestry, right?
but the statement that 92 of the top 100 times are held by
those of mostly
African ancestry is still wrong... it can only be 82... it's
just poor
data
on 15/8/01 6:07 PM, Buck Jones at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Furthermore, it was clear to me that she had only a vague race plan going
in, she wasn't sure where she wanted to make a move.
Not so apparantly, which was the reason for her public spat with her husband
Gary at the end of the race.
The Irish Times
Wednesday, August 15, 2001
Czech shot putter Miroslav Menc has been handed a lifetime ban from
athletics after his appeal for failing a second drugs test in two years was
rejected, the CTK news agency has reported.
Menc, 30, made his appeal after a B sample taken on April 26
In 1988 NBC showed the men's 5,000 live at 11:45 pm PDT (2:45 EDT) and
took two commercial breaks (missing, of course, John Ngugi's decisive
surge). Both Craig Masback and D W I G H T have in the past cited the
huge tune-out of viewers at the very start of this particular race as
evidence
MJ will appear on ESPN's up close today (Wed.) at 5:30pm EST. More info
can be found at the following link:
http://espn.go.com/espninc/askespn/upclose.html
Thanks,
Tom Borish
www.mactrack.net
Paula Radcliffe may be the toughest runner to stride across the planet, but
she is also carving out space as one of the poorer tacticians on God's
green
earth. She should review some of the great front-runners and surgers of
the
world to make herself a better championship racer. Look at
In the past few weeks, I've received a number of messages, from persons
I've never heard of, that often have a track and field reference. Each has
included an attachment and the message text has included the phrase, . .
. send you this file in order to have your advice. In each instance, my
always delightful to see what arcane things produce a reaction in the subscribership.
In my Radcliffe Conspiracy post I lamented the loss of Robert Ludlum, which produced
multiple private posts along the line of when did he die? Ergo:
http://www.tcpalm.com/stuart/obituaries/13sludlv.shtml
TV has jumped all over car racing recently. They show them for hours -
going 'round, and 'round, and 'round, and 'round, and 'round. So exciting,
right? Besides, if they are willing to show significant portions of
marathons, at times, in WC and Olympic coverage, why not distance races on
My guess is that regardless of what Radcliffe did, she could not have won
ths race. She is a great runner, a talented runner and an admirable runner.
But she is NOT any better than several of the Ethiopians at the 10K on the
track. So, lacking finishing speed, she is bound to lose to them most
In a message dated Wed, 15 Aug 2001 2:01:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ed Gordon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not to take anything away from the natural wit of Steve Ovett (the one who
broke the story about El G's piles several years ago, by the way), the
pair that sent me howling with laughter
TFN is a great magazine, but it has a lousy record over-all where the
drug issue is concerned.
Paula Radcliffe never mentioned a conspiracy. That is Garry's straw man.
Making jokes about the Illuminati and black helicopters is, sadly, the
unsurprising response of the editor of the Bible
Does anyone know if the BBC will be doing web-radio of future meets such as
the Zurich meet this Friday?
Jeff Hanks
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From: Eamonn Condon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Radio anyone?
One of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the past few weeks, I've received a number of messages, from persons
I've never heard of, that often have a track and field reference. Each has
included an attachment and the message text has included the phrase, . .
. send you this file in order to have your advice.
Watching the Olympics WC over the years, I have noticed tv showing ALL
prelim heats in the dashes/hurdles replaying each heat 2-3 times. The
total process lasts 45 min- 1 hr; about the time to run a men's a women's
heat in the 10K.
Dan Deyo
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From: Geoff Pietsch
I have received many of these, as have I received mail from people on
various lists stating they have received the same message from me. Only
once was the other person able to open the file. All the rest couldn't be
opened. I have since deleted these, as well as others that weren't worth my
1:00 PM PST International Athletics at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio5live/live/surestream.ram
John Rawling and Mike Whittingham with coverage of the IAAF Grand Prix
meeting, the Weltklasse in Zurich.
Eamonn Condon
www.RunnersGoal.com
- Original Message -
From: Hanks, Jeffrey S [EMAIL
TV has jumped all over car racing recently. They show them for hours -
going 'round, and 'round, and 'round, and 'round, and 'round. So exciting,
right?
Tough comparison. No (I hope) chance for death in the distance races. Car racing's
main appeal is crashes whether the fans want to admit it
My friends and I used to joke that in the 5k and 10k, to make things
interesting, a sniper should sysematically knock off the last place runner
at the end of each lap. Perhaps Craig Masback, Charlton Heston, and NBC
should all get together and come up with something. What do you guys think?
My friends and I used to joke that in the 5k and 10k, to make things
interesting, a sniper should sysematically knock off the last place runner
at the end of each lap. Perhaps Craig Masback, Charlton Heston, and NBC
should all get together and come up with something. What do you guys think?
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Geoff Pietsch wrote:
TFN is a great magazine, but it has a lousy record over-all where the
drug issue is concerned.
snip
out-of-competition testing) to pursue the cheats, we need powerful voices
like TFN to never let go on this issue.
So TFNews should actively
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What would actually work is to eliminate the last person to cross the line
each lap.
If you limited the field to 13 runners in a 5k, this would be pretty
exciting, like the final jumps in the PV.
This concept isn't new. It's called devil-take-the-hindmost. I recall
What would actually work is to eliminate the last person to cross the line
each lap.
This is the old devil take the hindmost race, which is sometimes run in
indoor all-comers meets.
If you want to really spice things up, do scoring by lap.
For a 5K, for example, you could award 5-3-1
I know the issue of scheduling the US nationals has been discussed on
this list before, but I don't recall any resolution. It occurred to me
that since next year is a Euro Champs year, there will be a mid/late
summer gap of about two weeks in the GP/Golden League schedule.
Has anyone at USATF
When drug use was widespread and open in the 1960's (at least as far as
steroids were concerned), the sport was popular and no one looks back on
the pre-testing era with disgust do they?
I do.
I look at a picture of Kratochvilova churning home in 1:53 ... looking every
bit like a stocky Czech
I do also.
I cut my teeth in track and field coaching women during that era and there
was a lot of disgust leveled at suspected cheats (mostly at Soviet bloc
athletes however). The level of sophistication in the testing process at
that time was quite low and rarely caught anyone. I had
Has anyone at USATF thought about scheduling US nationals during that
period next year, rather than the traditional mid-June window?
Granted, those active in Europe might like to take a rest during the
Euros, but as the US season effectively ends in mid-June these days,
perhaps scheduling
Summary
PRESS CONFERENCE, Aug 15, 2001, 3 pm
QUOTES AND NOTES
WIRZ: EDMONTON ON ONE DAY
Montgomery wants to run world record, Mutola thinks that Graf is always
dangerous oponnent
The Weltklasse 2001 Organising Committee President Hans-Jorg Wirz updated
first the situation after the Edmonton
Aren't we mixing eras? As I read Paul's question, it applies to the 50's
and 60's, not the spotty testing during the East German machine of the
70's and 80's.
Dan
From: P.F.Talbot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
When drug use was widespread and open in the 1960's (at least as far
as steroids
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to really spice things up, do scoring by lap.
For a 5K, for example, you could award 5-3-1 points for 1st through 3rd at
the end of every lap, maybe bumping that up to 10-8-6-4-2-1 for the
milepost laps, and 20-16-14-12-10-etc at the
Yes, I was thinking primarily of U.S. throwers who later openly admitted
they used steroids (which were legal until the 70s--or at least not banned
by athletic organizations).
There are those on this list who can relate stories of American and Soviet
athletes discussing their cycles in teh 70s
Make it interactive and have the audience vote on who gets bumped off.
Hey, get that annoying troll-like little Brit woman to say Goodbye,
you're the weakest link!
MJR
Some timer chips in the shoes, and a nifty computer program
should be
able to keep a real-time leaderboard running on a stadium
scoreboard.
That'll generate some lap by lap excitement!
Are we still talking about Leilani Rios?
malmo
Or the American machine of the 70s and 80s.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.
Aren't we mixing
Christ! NOTHING needs to be done to make the distance races more exciting. For those
of you lucky enough to be in Edmonton, you will never forget the men's 5000 or 10,000.
Too many lead changes to count in the men's 10K. Awesome finishes in each. Great
drama. Sure, all distance races are not
With all the difficulties TF is having with the TV format, radio would seem
to be a perfect fit, yet I am not aware of any radio broadcasts of track
events in the US. Small market perhaps, but a loyal one I would imagine. Any
radio (or internet radio) entrepreneur ready to seize the opportunity?
An earlier post mentioned that Jon Drummond was thinking about retiring ..
And I believe that Dennis Mitchell is calling this his last year .. Add to
that Mike Marsh retiring this past year and the US has or is losing three
class acts from the sprint scene .. These three guys have contributed
No sideshow, you're wrong. We need to shoot people.
Mike
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: televising distance races - and car races?
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:34:25 EDT
Christ! NOTHING needs to be done to make the distance races
Conway wrote:
An earlier post mentioned that Jon Drummond was thinking about retiring ..
And I believe that Dennis Mitchell is calling this his last year
And I
won't even begin to count the number of medals they have won in the name of
the United States, because more importantly than
Hi,
Hot and humid in Nashville, or balmy, as my wife over my shoulder states. I
wrote this to help motivate some of my new team for the fall. Thought some
others out there might need a story about now with all the heat throughout
the US.
I was always amazed that racing in Europe at night
Speaking of built like tanks-
I've noticed the trend for some time, but at
Edmonton it was particularly distinct when I
compared the physiques of women 800 meter
runners to men 800 meter runners.
You guessed it- the women are SIGNIFICANTLY
more 'buffed' than the men, for the same
event.
A bunch
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