t-and-f: Recalling a 200 semifinal 28 years ago

Y ask Y: Now it can be told. And maybe now you'll pay attention. Remember when Rey Robinson and Eddie Hart missed a shot at Borzov at Munich because of schedule snafu? Nobody until now has told the story of the women's sprinters. One of them got screwed too! Tom Shanahan of The San Diego

t-and-f: Tape Marketing Ploy?

NBC's track field coverage makes sense if you think of it as one long trailer to promote the Olympic Track Field video that they now are hawking ($19.95) at NBCOlympics.com. Want uninterrupted action, continuity and the opportunity to avoid synchronized diving? Break out your credit card.

t-and-f: Marion Jones' Other Flag

As an ignorant Brit can someone tell me what the other flag is that Marion Jones' carries when she celebrating victory in Sydney? David

t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!

In the second semi-final, there were 2 Americans and one (Pyrah) made the final which is a big deal. On Tues, NBC showed 7 hours on their main outlet, plus an additional 4 hours on their cable outlets. Eleven hours of 36 hour tape delayed, over editted, drama less, prepackaged crap and

t-and-f: You just need the right translation

(from the Canadian track and field mailing list) From: Shane Lakins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:08:17 -0400 Subject: TF A little humor injected into the Drug talk (bad pun, sorry) I have spare two minutes and since my wife is a speech therapist, I have acquired an ability to

t-and-f: Decathlon results

results warning . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders each time, looking at

t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney).

Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results

And that decision gave him the gold. On what basis does one appeal a ring foul? The official rules it a foul; how does he appeal? There's no plasticine to examine. Do they look at a videotape? Coty At 08:55 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: Hi, You wer right. Apparently he appealed a ring foul

t-and-f: RE: Culpepper - Why did we send her?(contains some results)

In a message dated 9/27/00 10:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Culpepper's case, however, she only made the team due to Jacob's sudden departure from the event and the only experience she got was getting her #$% kicked. Which should be a very valuable

t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?

I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? Thanks, Bruce Goodchild

RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

scroll down: actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was going

Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results -- DON'T READ IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR CANNED COVERAGE

Hi, Just saw the decathlon DT on NBC. Nool's third throw was clearly a foul, and Dwight remarked as such. He appealed and the field judge's decision was overruled. A HUGE gift for Nool. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com |

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

--- Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. I may be wrong, but I think the abuse Stephen

t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this?

Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?

About 1:30 or 2:00 AM I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? _

Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!

actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli but

RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East

Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

"Steven L. Brower" wrote: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in

RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

It's been a few years, but Brooks Johnson is sounding like a genius. M. Ward -Original Message- From: malmo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:55 AM To: Justin Clouder; 'TF List' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Jon Entine (paraphrased):

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Even as an American, I say that it's not only okay that an American failed to place in the 200, I think it's great that someone from Greece won the race. I must say that I'd like to go to Vegas with anyone who

RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Last time US men were shut out of Olympic 200 medals (excluding 1980) was 1928. -Original Message- From: Turner, Andrew C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:57 AM To: Philip Weishaar Cc: track list Subject: Re: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Re: t-and-f: 800m Bumping (was:Warning for NBC?)

On a completely different subject, I finally got to see the 800M final this a.m. (taped from last night's late show) and was waiting for the fireworks promised in an earlier post. All I saw was Longo's shoulder bumping Bucher as he made the move with no apoparent effect,. Admittedly,

RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Andrew Turner asked: When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in the top 5 in the 200? Aside from 1980, the last time the US failed to provide a 200m medallist was in 1928, according to the report on the IAAF website:

t-and-f: Longo the Bruiser?

As for the M800 -- I don't know what NBC showed, but Longo's body check was quite significant and did send Bucher onto the infield for about 3 steps. Bucher was very lucky that he was able to step back on the track with relatively little interference, but he could very easily have been boxed into

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately tanks a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the

t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris

SCROLL "Steven L. Brower" schreef: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Hello, I was interested in this myself, especially since I made somewhat of a fool

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Dan Kaplan wrote: That was pretty lame on Capel's behalf. He's a good runner, but he doesn't seem very mature from the standpoint of understanding what he's doing out there. His comments about how his training and everything went post-Sacto definitely bear that out, as will as allegedly

t-and-f: Laughers from the IOC Charter

If you want a good chuckle, check out the following snippets from the charter of the IOC (with a little commentary and emphasis added). More seriously, a read of these documents makes me want to vomit. Of course, it's no surprise that these guys are a bunch of self-aggrandizing hypocrites; it

t-and-f: Curtain up on beauty and the beast

Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Paul Hayward THE AUSTRALIAN papers are calling them beauty and the beast. While the beast was plodding into infamy, shedding tears and signing up O J Simpson's lawyer, the beauty was scorching closer to five Olympic golds at these Games. How

t-and-f: Devers demise signals retreat of the old guard

Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight In the biggest shock Gail Devers, the American world champion who had looked so impressive through the qualifying rounds, pulled up before the fifth barrier in her semi-final of the 100 metres hurdles. The 33-year-old who, in 1996,

Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!

I concur with the comments below -- Morceli's losing race would have been reason enough to be seen, even if no American were in it. I taped the late night show and watched the 800 this morning. No comment on the air about what I guess was a disqualification. I really am coming to resent the

t-and-f: Athletes inspired by Holmes' place

Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight PAULA RADCLIFFE summed up the mood in the British camp by citing the effect Kelly Holmes' courageous bronze medal is having on her team-mates. While Denise Lewis and Jonathan Edwards have won gold here, it seems that Holmes' run in

Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

It is Kederis, without an "n". He was 99 Greek champ in 200/400 -- 20.60 and 45.82. Ran a 20.50/45.66 in 99. Not sure what his PR going into Sydney was, but he did improve throughout the rounds in Sydney. His 20.09 in the final is a Greek Record. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

PAGE DOWN W HJ qual 13 over 1.94 (6' 4 1/4") non-q Quintero (CUB) (WC in 19??) 1.92, Lapina (RUS) 1.92, Erin Aldrich (USA) 1.85, Haugland 1.89, Kuptsova (RUS) 1.85, Amy Acuff 1.80 (missed at 1.85 6' 3/4") Pantelimon of Romania had an interesting progression: 1.80 o 1.85 x x o 1.89 x

t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris

Constantinos Kenteris (the correct spelling is Kenteris and not Kederis of course) went to Sydney with a personal best at 20" 25. which was a National Record for Greece untill yesterday. Kenteris' great capabilities were known in Greece since he was 16 years old. However the luck had turned his

t-and-f: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info.

Title: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info. Trackies, Capel just got left in the blocks. The coverage I saw on CBC showed he was at least 2 steps behind everybody else. He appeared to move just before the gun went off, and I was expecting a false start. He then froze in the

t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris - simply a misleading spelling of Konstantin Kederis, the new Olympic champion

Dear friends: The "mystery" is no mystery at all! "it's Greek to me"- but I happen to be familiar with the Greek alphabet and pronunciation and I'll herewith clear it up. The combination "nt" is used for "D" in Greek. More precisely : the letters are "ni" and "theta". A similar combination

Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris

Please tell me that Kenteris was not one of those Greek sprinters who fled when the dope testers showed up in that incident a year or two ago. I'd like to keep at least a few illusions alive, so it would be great if Kenteris was not one of those guys. Kurt Bray

t-and-f: Men's 200m and Jon Entine

To play devil's advocate in Entine's defense, his argument has always been about *performance* not placings. Where does 20.09 fit in in the greater scheme of things? If he runs under 20.00 then the case against Entine is a little stronger, if he breaks 19.90 then it really is. That said, I've

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

- Original Message - From: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather

t-and-f: tolerance of swimming polls - and of track lengths...

But a 5000m run, 12.5 laps around a 400m track that has its own tolerance, is now subject to WR improvements by 0.01 (which is exactly what happened when Said Aouita first broke Moorcroft's WR of 13:00.42 minutes) - why, then, did IAAF increase the 0.01 measurement range for every distance on

RE: t-and-f: Mens and Women's 200

Not true for the women's race either (Zhana Tarnapolskaya-Block, previous world champion). ___--- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Philip Weishaar Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:32 PM

t-and-f: News Article

http://www.olympics.smh.com.au/news/2000/09/28/FFXIT2IJNDC.html Enjoy. Schiefer http://tnfmedia.rivals.com

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

--- Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily. Michael Johnson and Marion Jones were both "beaten" in prelim races. Many athletes have the attitude that the goal is to advance safely while conserving as much energy as possible. There have been many instances of athletes foolishly

t-and-f: CBC Suspends Olympics Coverage

Because of the death of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, the CBC is presently airing uninterrupted news and reactions to his passing. They say they'll be resuming Olympics coverage "sometime in the evening." They've been on this story since just before 6pm EDT on Thursday. Jim Bendat

Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY

WAY WAY WAY too logical Rich...back to the original point, a)young up and comers at age 22, 23, 24 need to commit to racing the marathon rather than waiting until they are slow and old and b) we as a group ran better back then because we trained our asses off and didn't know crapola about

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay

PAGE DOWN In the opening round, USA ran Brokenburr, Montgomery, Lewis and Greene. They ran 38.15 to won their heat. Other heat winners were: CIV 39.06 BRA 38.32 FRA 39.00 CUB 38.74 Italy, Nigeria, Jamaica, Australia, Japan and Poland also broke 39. Russia dnq with 39.29.

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

W 400 R first round PAGE DOWN In heat 4 USA ran Gaines, Edwards, Perry and Richardson, won in 42.92. Russia 43.15, Nigeria 43.28 Interesting - saving Marion's legs vs. getting the passing practice they need. Other teams: Jamaica - Lawrence, Campbell, McDonal, Frazer Bahamas

RE: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!)

Thanks a lot for the useful and interesting information, however the final paragraph was quite out of place. I don't think Michael Johnson and Flo-Jo belong in the same league- not nearly. Good luck. ___ -Original

Re: t-and-f: Ancient Olympics

Weren't the ancient Olympics shut down by the Emperor because of cheating and corruption? Partly, but mostly the Emperor Theodosius shut down the ancient games because they were a pagan religious festival (dedicated to Zeus), and he was a devout and intolerant Christian. Kurt Bray

t-and-f: Sorry the tape is gone.

The tape of the 10,000m and the 5,000m has been given away. Sorry to everyone who emailed and didn't get it. Matt Stohl _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about

t-and-f: 200

Out of town and away from computer all day ... What do you make of the men's 200 ?? Am trying to wait til I SEE it to start making comments .. And did you see Devers race last night .. Surprised there are no posts talking about her "muscle pull" .. That was the lamest thing I ever saw .. Conway

Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?

About 1:30 or 2:00 AM I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? That's sad .. I waited up all night to see a marquee race that I

Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!

write a letter to the ny times and copy some of the sponsors, along with nbc. this is the only way to get some activity. the manner in which they are programming this isn't nearly as bad as the arrogance. they know what they are doing and how most viewers feel, they go ahead and tell you

Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote

http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/olympics/misc/2927SPT04b_SP-RANDY.html this article includes this paragraph: -- American sprinter Dennis Mitchell was suspended for an illegal level of testosterone, but let off by U.S. Track and

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:40:09 GMT, you wrote: I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m

In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR)

t-and-f: Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history

Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history 29 September 2000 Poland's Robert Korzeniowski has won the arduous 50-kilometre walk at the Sydney 2000 Games to become the first man in history to take out the men's Olympic walk double. Korzeniowski's first gold came in the 20km walk on 16 September

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "A.J. Craddock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

Yeah, and if Freeman was one of ours, we would have gotten a 7th in the Women's 200 even using the Australian system. But I guess if MG or MJ had flinched at the start there might have been a recall. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'TF List' [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of race walking

Netters, From the villiage here... What Costas did. Was in 88. He or rather the producers had some callopy type music played then Costas said :He didn't set a world record, but at least he walked like a man." Now, after that he got a ton of letters and in 92 said "I donb't know haw may

t-and-f: Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD - Men - Final

For some reason Brian Abshire shows instead of Phillip Dunn . . . I don't know why . . . but the 50KM steeplechase would be a bitch! http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/results/index.asp Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD -

t-and-f: Perfection the key to Korzeniowski double

http://www.iaaf.org/oly00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp?Code=2684 Perfection the key to Korzeniowski doubleSWJ for IAAF 29 September 2000 - Coming back to the road after a break of a few days, Polands Robert Korzeniowski became the first man in Olympic history to take

t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Under fire for allegedly suppressing positive drug tests, USA Track Field proposed that its entire doping control program be handed over to an independent world body. Craig Masback, executive director of USATF, suggested Friday (Thursday night EDT) that the World

Re: t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency

In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the