t-and-f: The Walks

If you do not care for walks, please delete this message, and please do not email me to tell me you don't like them. Thanks. Ok. I have never really paid much attention to the Walks, however, today after watching the Womens race, what an amazing event/race. How incredibly heart breaking to

t-and-f: Chris Huffins - class act, Marla Runyan as well.

First off, I am sorry about my numerous posts this week. I tend to be a lurker, but I get so excited about the Olympics (drug allegations and all). I just watched Huffins get interviewed by Jim Grey. Huffins so easily could have been upset about his Bronze instead of the Silver he would have

Re: t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay

- Original Message - From: Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Posts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:17 AM Subject: t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay PAGE DOWN In the opening round, USA ran Brokenburr, Montgomery,

RE: t-and-f: The Walks

Matt, Walkers compete to an older age than other athletes because there is LESS mechanical damage than in running. I know of one or two walkers who have had knee problems later in life but speaking to an orthopaedic surgeon who dealt with the people involved he said it wasn't due to the walking.

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock One of my first thoughts when Kenteris won was that the list (particularly those Americans on it) would start pointing the finger. But I never expected the King of the Conspiracy

t-and-f: ancient Olympics

Partly, but mostly the Emperor Theodosius shut down the ancient games because they were a pagan religious festival (dedicated to Zeus), and he was a devout and intolerant Christian. Kurt Bray So that's why all the present athletes dedicate their victories to God. Randall Northam

Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote:

"R.T." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/olympics/misc/2927SPT04b_SP-RANDY.html this article includes this paragraph: - -- American sprinter Dennis Mitchell was suspended for an illegal level of

RE: t-and-f: 200

We Yanks have always been well ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to doping. The East Germans were rank amateurs. malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

t-and-f: More RaceWalking

Am I allowed to post this? Run from race walking One way to trim the fat from a bloated Olympic docket Click here for

t-and-f: Men's 1500 Results

Scroll down for results and race description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Watched the race on a fuzzy CBC feed, but I am pretty sure of the splits. It was a fast pace from the start, as El Guerrouj's country-mate Youssef Baba took the duty of early pace setter, leading El

t-and-f: Men's 200 Travesty and sprint thoughts

Finally got to see the Men's 200 meters last night (and since we didn't win didn't have to wait til midnight!) .. Couple of thoughts .. Not to take anything away from Kenteris, but Capel was clearly the top 200 man in Sydney .. However, no matter how good you are, you can't give everyone a head

t-and-f: Capel and Nool

Netters: We saw some very incompetent officiating yesterday (Thursday) in two Olympic events, both of which affected the fgold medal. Firstm, the 200. When John Capel started to roll and then went back, the proper call of the starter was Stand up. It was not actually a false start, but

t-and-f: Uninformed comments on men's 200m final

Although I realize that not everyone commenting on the men's 200m final is a sprinter or coach, I am nonetheless surprised at some of the ridiculous remarks being offered up on the list. What Capel did was entirely obvious. He started to move forward before the gun was fired. He was going

RE: t-and-f: The Walks (refers to new results- don't open if you don't want to know them)

Head and shoulders above anything in the walks is the historical feat of Robert Korzeniowski- a truly remarkable athlete under any criterion. An interesting co incidence: The 4 Polish gold medals in these Olympics come in pairs: 1) Both walks. 2) Both hammer throw events! UG

t-and-f: Capel

Hi All I might have guessed it. The reason the US failed to win the 200m has nothing to do with the fact that the two greatest in the world were left off the team, nor the fact that the three representatives proved wholly inadequate. No, the failure to win a medal for the first time in 72 years

Re: t-and-f: Uninformed comments on men's 200m final

It is equally absurd to assume a persons individual accomplishments are predetermined by race. Sure, in general, East Africans are small, West Africans are strong and quick but, generalities determine nothing for an individual. If I am a white guy with even a little talent I know I am going

t-and-f: Men's 100m and 200m By Country

Hi All A quick points breakdown of the two men's short sprint finals, with 8 points for 1st to 1 point for 8th, makes interesting reading: UK 19 points (3 athletes) US 15 (4) Trinidad13 (1) Bahamas 11 (1) Greece 8 (1) Brazil 3 (1) St Kitts2

Re: t-and-f: Capel

Justin wrote: Hi All I might have guessed it. The reason the US failed to win the 200m has nothing to do with the fact that the two greatest in the world were left off the team, nor the fact that the three representatives proved wholly inadequate. No, the failure to win a medal for the

t-and-f: El Guerrouj

scroll... Ron Clarke was as great an athlete as El Guerrouj and suffered a similar fate. UG _ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000

RE: t-and-f: Capel

Conway, You wrote: But the starter also has a responsibility .. To see that the race if off properly .. And it wasn't and he didn't .. That is all I was trying to point out .. Enough culpability for both Capel and the starter .. Both failed .. However, it is ultimately the job of

t-and-f: GB M 4x100M - what happened?

Anybody see what happened to the UK 4x100M team in the first round? Who did what to whom? Both they and Ghana were clearly contenders (IMHO). Tony Craddock

t-and-f: splits from W 5K, M 10K

The IAAF site has intermediate times with its results, which Sydney2000 lacks. Here are splits from Monday's distance finals: W 5K 3:03.9 Szabo 5:57.4 (2:53.5) Wami 8:58.4 (3:01) Wami 11:53.6 (2:55.2) Kidane 14:41 (2:47.4) Szabo M 10K 2:39.6 Nizigama 5:23.4 (2:43.8) Niz 8:08.1 (2:46.7) "

t-and-f: Sanity on drug craziness

Y ask Y: Following are two thoughtful posts from the Masterstf Mailing List on egroups. They address doping issues in masters track but have application to the wider discussion of drugs in elite track. Ken Stone After reading Milan's unabashed "solutions" and conclusions on the Olympic drug

RE: t-and-f: Capel - redux

Clearly it is Capel's responsibility. Every sprinter is at the mercy of the starter, good or bad. And after looking again and again at the tape, I'm inclined to think that he might not have tanked the race. The key to this was in his post race remarks. In the NCAA, where he ran most of his

t-and-f: Drug test failure . . .

According to a breaking BBC story, an "un-named female athlete fails out-of-competition drugs test at Olympics - news coming soon" . . . Anyone running a book on this one? Does Tony Craddock have an inside edge? Paul!

Re: t-and-f: Capel

Justin wrote: What you are telling us is that (1) Capel got himself into a bad position and (2) the starter should then have stood them up. Nonsense! Capel broke no rules - had he applied pressure, he would have been called for a false start. He just messed up his starting technique. The

t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

Y ask Y: Last night's wire services were full of stories about USATF CEO Craig Masback's wacky proposal that WADA take over all drug testing for USATF. Aside from the hilarious idea of CM making unilateral decisions on behalf of a slow-moving and volunteer-driven organization on such a

t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

Was anyone else appalled at how NBC shamelessly villified this man? The darth vader voice and the still pictures that made him look like a child eating ogre? In reality he was a cultured hard working athlete. Cultured and hard working doesn't fit the Drago-underdog Rocky anglethey were trying to

RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

Karelin is also a member of the Russian parliament. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Uri Goldbourt wrote: Costas said: "Despite his image, he is an intelligent man, listen to music and read poetry". Incredible! Who would have believed that a "Russian bear" spending time in the ring would listen

t-and-f: no comment

What's with Calvin Harrison's "no comment" after the 4-by-4 trials? I also heard Suzy Hamilton refused to speak with the media after both her trials and semifinals races. What's up with that? = "This content in no way reflects the opinions, standards, or policy of the United

Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

i'm so glad it was costas and not carol...or everyone (almost) on the list would be posting and that wasn't his only mistake! louise

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200 Travesty and sprint thoughts

if capel were more experienced, he would have raised his hand when he started to rock backrather than get caught that way..

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Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

I thought it was a disgusting peace of reporting myself. Anything to pull in viewers I guess, including demeaning, and dehumanizing a person, for all we know, might just have worked that much harder than everyone else for 13 years. D Scott Fairbanks wrote: Was anyone else appalled at how NBC

t-and-f: NCAA Division I National Region XC Polls

NCAA Division I National Region XC Polls for men are located at www.usccca.org These polls are now updated weekly through out the rest of the Cross Country season. Administered by United States Cross Country Coaches Association.

Re: t-and-f: Capel

Capel broke no rules - had he applied pressure, he would have been called for a false start. He just messed up his starting technique. The starter's job is to get them away within the rules. It's NOT his responsibility to make sure it's a nice even break. Capel just blew it. It's his fault alone.

t-and-f: Relay trials

Netters: The NBC coverage of the relay trials had so many glitches it would be hard to know where to start. Bad camera angles were one (showing the passes head-on in the 4x400 relay, e.g.). But the omissions were the worst. Why not show the full heat where Great Britain blew the baton.

Re: t-and-f: Chris Huffins - class act

--- Matt Stohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just watched Huffins get interviewed by Jim Grey. Huffins so easily could have been upset about his Bronze instead of the Silver he would have got if Nool had not received any points in the discus. So what does Huffins say? "I got what I deserved

Re: t-and-f: Drug test failure . . .

According to a breaking BBC story, an "un-named female athlete fails out-of-competition drugs test at Olympics - news coming soon" . . . Is "out-of-competition at the Olympics" an oxymoron? Was she watching up in the stands and got yanked out her seat to go give a sample? RT

t-and-f: Newspaper editorials RE: Oly Games, track and/or Doping?

Hi All, I'd like to know if any daily newspapers anywhere in the US (or elsewhere) have commented on their editorial page about the the Olympics, about track and/or about doping over the past several months (particularly over the past several days). If you've come across anything, please

t-and-f: Random Musings

On NBC's coverage times; I'd recommend just setting up tapes and letting 'em fly. I've made it a habit of always taping the 10 AM (EDT) coverage and the 12:30 AM to 2+ AM coverage regardless of the posted schedule. Luckily I've seen virtually everything as a result. On Capel, I agree that he

Re: t-and-f: Peta Gaye Dowdie ( Jamaican national 100m champion)

Anyone know if she is going to run in the relays for Jamaica? D Ed Grant wrote: Netters: The NBC coverage of the relay trials had so many glitches it would be hard to know where to start. Bad camera angles were one (showing the passes head-on in the 4x400 relay, e.g.). But the omissions were

Re: t-and-f: Capel and Nool

Having said that, I must add this: the first two throws--which we did not see on NBC--were victims of what I---and some other officials--considred to be a very stupid situationb, i.e., calling a foul when the throw hits the cage. The proper call in the discus should be "no throw" since

Re: t-and-f: Capel

- Original Message - From: R.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The starter's judgement was sound. Capel wavered, but did not distract the other runners. I think Ato Boldon said otherwise. RT Oh, that explains his poor time ;-) Given that Boldon was at least 10 yards ahead of Capel to begin with,

Re: t-and-f: Chris Huffins - class act

At 12:01 PM 9/29/00 -0700, Dan Kaplan wrote: --- Matt Stohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just watched Huffins get interviewed by Jim Grey. Huffins so easily could have been upset about his Bronze instead of the Silver he would have got if Nool had not received any points in the discus. So

t-and-f: t-and-f--anyone have a copy of Geb's race???

Hi all, If anyone has a copy of Geb's 200010k Olympic race on videotape, I would be interested in acquiring a copy. Thanks, Jeff Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Any word on Gwen Torrence?

The USA relay teams really can use her at this time. She had been the anchor (winning anchor might I add) on the 4 by 100 meter relay for the past 2 Olympics. Once again, word on the street has it that she still has NOT retired. Anybody know anything about her. How her training is going, how well

Re: t-and-f: Capel - Greece is East Germany of today?

The starter's judgement was sound. Capel wavered, but did not distract the other runners. I think Ato Boldon said otherwise. RT Ato Boldon was running at the 8th lane. Capel at the 4th. How could Boldon be distracted by a movement he never saw??? On the East Germany - Greece

t-and-f: Kipketer

On Kipketer: I have seen him run against a similar background before. In 1998, he had just returned from his long bout with malaria. It was in Budapest in the European championships and he was running against a similar field, at least in terms of European rivals (No Sepeng or Guerni). In the

Re: t-and-f: Capel - Greece is East Germany of today?

As Charlie Francis, Ben Johnson's coach, said about the Seoul 100M Final. "I don't call it cheating when everyone is competing on a level playing field. I only call it cheating when one person is doing something that no-one else is doing." That's why Francis is no longer in the business.

Re: t-and-f: Chris Huffins - class act

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coty Pinckney) wrote: Huffins does seem like a classy individual, but you know what they say about where nice guys finish... He's obviously very talented, but he seems to have virtually no competitive fire, as Conway talked about with the sprinters. He's probably a

Re: t-and-f: Capel - Greece is East Germany of today?

As Charlie Francis, Ben Johnson's coach, said about the Seoul 100M Final. I don't call it cheating when everyone is competing on a level playing field. I only call it cheating when one person is doing something that no-one else is doing. Tony Craddock __ At 12:00 AM 9/30/00 +0300,

t-and-f: Kushman's summary.....

Just to follow up on what the whole bloody summer has amounted to from this spectator's point of view Cudos to Sacramento Bee scribe Rick Kushman who was spot on regarding the wunnerful NBC Olympic packaging. The following paragraph from his pen could as well have appeared in a

t-and-f: Will to win

I mentioned it when I talked about the 200 final .. And it has been mentioned with respect to Chris Huffins .. But I would have to say that it seems to be a common theme in these games .. And something that I have noticed for about a decade or so now - that drive to win .. I grew up during the

RE: t-and-f: Uninformed comments on men's 200m final

OUT OF FIVE FREAKIN BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD YOU CAN ONLY FIND TWO WHO DIDN'T QUALIFY TO SUPPORT ENTINE'S "POINTLESS COMMENT"? What were the PR's of the guys in the Sydney 200 final? What do you think Kenteris would have run in ideal sprint conditions? Capel was a non-factor regardless of the

t-and-f: slow 800 meter final

i, like most everyone else did not get to watch the mens 800 final. what was up with those slow times? since no one seemed to have caught this "race to watch", would it be possible for someone to make a file of it and post it somewhere on the internet? i would like to see how kipketer let that

RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

Subject: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN Was anyone else appalled at how NBC shamelessly villified this man? The darth vader voice and the still pictures that made him look like a child eating ogre? In reality he was a cultured hard working athlete. Cultured and hard

t-and-f: Positivelova

Young Russian Svetlana Pospelova, the improving 400m runner, has been named as the athlete who has failed an out-of-comp drug test (stanazonol) from the Games. Though she had finished her individual comp, she was tested 'out of comp' as she was still to compete in the relay. She was not chosen

t-and-f: 1500 comment

Netters: It was fitting indeed that the 1500 in Sydney should be somewhat a replication of what happened in Roime 40 years ago. There too, there was a team attempt which failed, as Marcel Bernard, fresh from the 5K final an hour before, set a strong pace, hoping in that case to burn out

t-and-f: Date Change: Ted Haydon Holiday Classic (NOW Dec 16, Chicago area)

Please Note: Sara Hallman just informed me that for circumstances beyond the track staff's control, the date for the Ted Haydon Holiday Classic has been changed to SATURDAY, DECEMBER 16. The original post is below Begin Forwarded Message At 06:26 PM 9/28/00

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

1. Masback clearly offered this "solution" to buy time -- a short respite from the media jackals. (Maybe now they'll chew someone else's butt for a change -- or forget about USATF after a few days.) But your out-of-control spin control will only raise further questions, Craigo. While it is

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

Craig said something in his WAVA statement about being caught between conflicting direction and priorities between the IAAF and USOC. Anybody care to amplify? Who is trying to undermine who? RT

t-and-f: Auto Timing

A belated thank-you to everyone who answered my query on Automatic Timing at the Olympics. I received many responses, had my recollection confirmed and got many different but not necessarily conflicting reports. Thanks again. /Drew

Re: t-and-f: 4 x 4 splits ??

In a message dated 00-09-29 20:50:30 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been looking .. Does anyone know where to find splits on the 4x4 semis ??? Unofficial splits for the relay: Jerome Young- 45.63 Angelo Taylor- 43.82 Calvin Harrison- 43.57 Alvin Harrison- 45.76 (eased up) 2:58.78

t-and-f: Marion Jones?...

Dear Listers, By now, everyone on the list is probably aware of the fact that MJ took bronze in the LJ. Most of the realist on this list knew that MJ's chance to take home 5 golds would take a lot of luck, despite her fitness level and extraordinary talent. Can we regard this as a failure? In

t-and-f: USA Men's 4x400 Final Line-up

It will be Calvin Harrison to Antonio Pettigrew to Alvin Harrison to MJ. The TV commentator here said that "they will have to drop the baton on every exchange to be beaten." Of course, baton was pronounced "BAT-uhn". Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS

Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

I was merely attempting a little humor, not suggesting anything else. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Uri Goldbourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CORA KOCH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steven L. Brower [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday,

t-and-f: Liquori's comments

i loved Marty L's comments with about 250m to go in the Men's 1500m. "It's going to come down to the last 100 meters.'" Oh, come on Marty. How would you have known that unless you had already seen the tape." Make it a little less contrived. Your friend. Schiefer

t-and-f: In Stadium Announcing - INCLUDES A RESULT

I want to comment on the announcing within Stadium Australia. The English speaking announcers (one British and one Australian?) are rather knowledgeable and their accents are fun to listen too. However, like all of us, they make mistakes. For those there, I am sure you will agree that "many"

t-and-f: RE: [racewalking] Rules question . . .

Korzeniowski finished the 50KM with a heart rate monitor clearly in view . . . Rule 144 in the IAAF handbook states: Rule 144 Assistance to Athletes 2. . . . Assistance is the conveying, by any means, of advice, information or direct help and includes pacing in races by persons not

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

In a message dated 9/29/00 7:40:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: USATF does not have any business doing drug testing, period. Giving it to WADA may not be the answer, but if it gets the U.S. off the bad publicity hook, who cares. At least this gets the dialogue going

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

In a message dated 9/29/00 7:40:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a difference between criminal and civil issues, as well as the fact that the police department is specifically tasked to do policing while it is really a secondary role for USATF. Which might

Re: t-and-f: USA Men's 4x400 Final Line-up

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:01:29 -0400, you wrote: It will be Calvin Harrison to Antonio Pettigrew to Alvin Harrison to MJ. The TV commentator here said that "they will have to drop the baton on every exchange to be beaten." Of course, baton was pronounced "BAT-uhn". As in Baton Rouge... RT

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

This is a difference between criminal and civil issues, as well as the fact that the police department is specifically tasked to do policing while it is really a secondary role for USATF. Which might explain why it doesn't get done at all. Hey, you guys have hit on the solution, and didn't