>Can HSI really be classified as a club? It's really a management group. The
athletes who join aren't in need of a "club" in the same way a 14:00 5Ker is.
The sprinters join for John Smith's coaching, sure, but they and the others
also join because of the collective bargaining the enjoy as a gr
what would be the fastest brother-brother combination of all time? I
think Noureddine Morceli (3:27.37) and his older brother (3:37 in
1977) may take the cake. of course those are 1500m times - depends if you
want to stretch the meaning of the word mile.
Joel
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Mike (and all),
The Club situation is one of trying to financially make it work. Here in
Portland I am working on the concept of the emerging elite being part of the
coaching staff for the developing athletes (youth) and getting paid as such.
But still not sure of the most efficient model. We h
The issue of paid coaches is a serious one that must be addressed. You cannot expect the best for free, forever. Track has been very fortunate that the love is so deep that coaches donate their time to great success of the sport. But I am living witness that those days are coming to an end.
With
Brian wrote:
> There is no club environment for a 21.00/1:51/4:05/14.00 hurdles/ level
> athlete in this country after college ... because there is NO destination
> for this athlete, competitively.
>
So are you saying that these athletes do not deserve a competitive
destination ?? That only i
My Mother once sat on a plane next to a man who claimed that he had two sons who had
broken 4 minutes. Of course, mom just thought it was neat and didn't get any more
specific info like names, dates, and times. pretty sure he was american. He may have
just been trying to impress her though.
Greetings, all:
Thanks to John M, I've learned the site for info on winter all-comers meets
at Long Beach State University in Southern California:
http://www.longbeachstate.com/trk/mtrk/winterallcomer.html
Ken Stone
http://www.masterstrack.com
> There are however clubs throughout the country with NO paid coaches,
> officials, clubhouses or tracks. These clubs run on a voluntary basis,
> organise weekly coaching, and local competitions (where there is a
municipal
> track they use that , where there is not they rent a field for the day
fr
We talk about elite clubs and we talk about grass roots clubs. So I wonder
what my club, Greater Boston Track Club, is. We used to be so elite that we
were better than some countries. When the club team won the national
cross-country in Raleigh, NC in 1979 with a score of 26 points Finnish
Runnin
Netters,
As the coach of the Ohio Track Club from 1971 to 1991 I think I am
qualified to comment about the club scene in this country. Several
people have asked why is there not a better club structure for sub-elite
and emerging-elite athletes. Although we did have numerous elite
athletes in ou
Track Listers,
I released these rankings to the media at the end of last year, and can
share them with you now. These are the first annual RRW World Marathoner
Rankings where I have ranked the top-20 men and women based on their 2000
performances.
The rankings are subjective, reflecting my asse
True 'nuff ... I have never seen a guy begin to coast at 70m to gather for
the last 10m of a 100m race. but it happens in every long race to some
extent. I knew someone would point that out.
-Original Message-
From: Dan Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:
Marty Post asked about sub-four mile brothers. Andrew and Allen Graffin
(GB) are not just brothers, they are twins and they both ran sub-four in the
same race this summer!
Coached by Tim Hutchings,(2nd in World Cross Country 1984 and 1989, now a
Eurosport commentator), they race all-year round,
Hi again Brian,
I agree wholeheartedly. I was not suggesting that any funding should be
thrown the way of those athletes. In the UK and Ireland even people
competing in Nationals etc don't get funding (living expenses, travel
expenses or any other funding). A few may get sponsorship from shoe
co
You're talking about specific coaches, whereas I'm talking about averages
(Entine?). The question is not which level produces the best (and worst)
athletes, but which is most likely to produce the most improvement. If
you have two similar motivated athletes, one with less developed talent,
than
I don't think percentage differences make for a very valid comparison in
this case. In the 100m, you don't have guys pacing each other and sharing
the lead for 95m. In a 10k, the finishing gaps are likely to be smaller
than percentages might predict due to the "artificial" closeness (i.e.
based
Tell that to someone like Mike Miller. Perhaps Rachel Sauder on the
women's side?
Dan
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is no club environment for a 21.00/1:51/4:05/14.00 hurdles/ level
> athlete in this country after college ... because there is NO
> destination for thi
-Original Message-
From: Michael Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 January 2001 17:26
To: Mcewen, Brian T
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Re: Clubs
Hi Brian,
But surely there should be a competitive destination for these athletes.
Nearly every other country in the world has competition f
The schedule has been changed this year to account for this. The hurdles and dash
have been moved to the end of the program so the track does not have to be
reassembled. This will also keep people from leaving before the end of the meet like
they always used to do.
MJR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wro
In a message dated 1/7/2001 5:43:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< The
Millrose Games, which runs during primetime on the east coast on a
Friday night, will be broadcast in edited tape delay on Saturday
afternoon. Surely this meet, of any, can be done live. >>
The Millrose Games, though one
>Of course, it's a bit of a catch-22 as the athletes that "slip" to the
>DIII level are a little less likely to have peaked at an early age and
>might have more room for improvement, thus making the coaching success
>rate look markedly better.
>
>Dan
Dan,
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree he
In a message dated Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:00:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael
Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<<
HSI is a great club that offers the full range of services that elite
athletes need, but I doubt that the market could bear more than a couple
of them.
Mike
>>
Can HSI really b
> If the athlete was a 1:51/4:05 guy or a 10.70/21.00 sprinter in College ...
> there was a reason. This level of athlete is not bound for the Olympics ...
> he is bound for 5k road races and 4-on-4 basketball tournaments.
I guess I was lucky I only ran 1:56/4:15 in college then, otherwise I wo
Point of clarification in this thread...
I believe the NCAA does not award All-America honors
to anyone, technically. The coaches associations are
the organizations handing out these awards.
=
Kelley Halliburton
Trade Marketing Manager
Human Kinetics Publishers
Champaign, IL
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A very nice sounding name is Flora Hyacinth.
Dave Carey
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sophomore Destany Clearly (Fall River High School, McArthur, CA) won the
> Northern Section 400 meters in 1:00.32 in May, 2000. She placed 24th
> ove
In a 100m race, a 1/10th of 1% difference in ability (.001) results in a
.01 time difference. The same defense in ability in a 10k equals 2.0
seconds.
The 1983 WC 10k was indeed one of the deepest (six guys) sprint finishes
ever in a 10k. It was slow though, 38 seconds off the WR. The 1978 Eu
gh wrote:
<<
and track races which probably owe as much as improvements in
track/shoe technology as they to do to new-and-improved athletes and I think
the WR curve basically stopped almost 10 years ago now.
>>
I can't speak as expertly on the field events or the sprints ... but there
NO
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:44 AM
> To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)
> Subject: t-and-f: sub-four mile brothers
>
>
> Joe Henderson said someone recently asked him if
My favorite name of all time is from a decathlete at Lynchburg College (VA).
I believe he may even have been the Div. III national champ back in the
mid-eighties. His name spoke for itself... Major Tallent.
Matt Munson
There is no club environment for a 21.00/1:51/4:05/14.00 hurdles/ level
athlete in this country after college ... because there is NO destination
for this athlete, competitively.
If a man has reached the 1:51/4:05 level by 23 (after, perhaps redshirting a
year) it is highly unlikely that he will
Joe Henderson said someone recently asked him if father-son or
brother-brother have broken four minutes in the mile (I assume he meant USA
only). While he seemed sure the answer to the first part was no, on the
second he ruled out most people with same last names except Bob (1972) and
Steve ('74)
Part of the rationale has to be that in 1981 (I think) Scharsu was the top
American and I think he was SEVENTH, or maybe he was fourth, but was the
only American citizen in the top SEVEN. One of those I think. The
prevalence of foreign 27 year-olds was pretty high at the time.
If the NCAA want
I think the name Autumn Fogg is one of the nicest names I have ever heard
too. I think she had a sister with a similar-type of name.
Flora Big Hair was also a high school distance runner in the early 90's
that stands out in my mind.
Kevin Hadsell
Head Coach
University of Toledo
John Dye wrote:
And
then there is I-Perfection Harris, of Poly Prep HS in New York, who was
perfection in winning the long jump in US#1 indoor season mark of 23-10 and the
triple jump in US#3 45-10 Saturday in the Hispanic Games at the New York
Armory.
And
note that it is spelled I [hyphen] Perfection, n
The authoritative all time HS lists are, of course, in Jack Shepard's annual
booklet, HIGH SCHOOL TRACK. The 2001 edition is just out, with all time
lists updated through the 2000 season. You can get it from Jack at
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John Dye
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DyeStat - the Internet home of Hig
Thank you to everyone that responded to my email looking for a
scholarship for a cross/3000/5000 runner. Unfortunately I was preparing to
reply to you all when I seem to have lost all your emails. In case I don’t recover
them would it be possible for you to resend your details and I will ge
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