Morceli, as an 18 year old ran 3:40.41 (Gateshead '88) for 1500m. Hardly
a 3:52 mile. The next year he turned it up a bit and ran 3:37.87 at
Verona. Still a few seconds off a 3:52 mile. As a 20 year old he ran
most of his races in the 3:33-35 range.
I don't know as much about ElG except h
netters
Hey Scott Davis do me a favor will you please. Tell these guys
which race had the only AR's set in it and was one of the best race
out there.
They wouldn't believe me if I swore on a Bible.
Not quite the answer you were looking for but I
can remember seeing a news article last year stating that Australia's female
prodigy Georgie Clarke (PB of 4-06) had a faster 1500m best at age 16 than (from
memory) Seb Coe, Steve Cram and El Guerrouj!
Regards - GT
-Original Message
Michael:
Jeff Laynes ran for Oakland High School, in Oakland, California. Laynes
placed second in the 1989 California State Meet 100 meters in 10.48
(+1.94mps) behind Curtis Conway (Hawthorne) 10.42. The head Oakland High
School track coach was David Ponas and the assistant coach was Doug Owya
In a message dated 4/23/01 10:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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If you can't get into 3:52 territory by age 18, you're probably never gonna
set a world mile record.
Any idea what Morceli and El G's PR's were at 18? Not sure myself about El G
but Morceli did not run 3:
In a message dated 4/23/01 10:17:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Men's 5K: Those who in earlier messages sang the praises of Div. II runner
Jason Huggard
Jason's last name is Hubbard not Huggard.
Steve S.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:40:56 EDT, you wrote:
>While I do not agree with Kebba's elite requirements, I do think he makes a
>very good point regarding expectations.
>It is the old debate that goes around and around in here about distance
>running in the US, but it remains true. The overall expec
>This message shows how out of touch you are. Weldon Johnson won the 10 over
>Keith Kelly. Kelly won the NCAA XC Champs. Would you say Keith is an
>"elite" runner?
I would say exactly that, no offense to Kelly. And it's not to say
that Keith has no potential to improve into elite status. Kei
For those unable to attend, I thought I would offer some commentary on
several of the events at the just-completed Mt. SAC Relays:
The distance carnival was held Friday night under conditions unusual this
time of year in California: cold and windy, with rain. As I overheard one
coach say to a
on 23/4/01 8:12 PM, John Lunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Please explain some things to me.
> When tracing ancestry, how far back do you go?
> I assumed that if you go back far enough, you and I would have the same root
> in
> this giant tree.No?
> If I line up next to you for a race, do I give
I am mad at Mt SAC too. (or the results program) The Greater Boston Track
Club sent athletes to the meet at considerable effort and expense. I find
their names in the results but no affiliation. Only unattached. It seemed
only colleges were listed. Not clubs. There is a lack of post collegiate
i
The Electronic Telegraph
Tuesday 24 April 2001
Tom Knight
PAULA RADCLIFFE ended all the speculation about her move up the marathon
yesterday by announcing she will make her debut over 26.2 miles in next
year's London event.
Radcliffe, who is Britain's most successful distance runner, has long
blabber on all you want about what "should have been promoted" re the Mt. SAC
meet... all I know is, the largest, loudest group of fans over the three days
of the meet appeared to be the parents of the young 'uns in the
little-kid-relays on Sundaytalk about some yellin' and screamin'! now..
> MEDIA ALERT * * * MEDIA ALERT
>
> MARSHFIELD High School Track Renovation Ceremony honors two legends of
> distance running, Bill Bowerman and Steve Prefontaine
>
> Former University of Oregon Distance Running Standout and
> Long-time Nike Executive Rudy Chapa Highlights Nike's Support at
If you have ever been to Kenya, you might have seen first-hand that the
Arabs hate the "blacks". Along the ocean coast especially, many people who
can trace their ancestry to an Arab country, feel quite superior racially to
the "black" Kenyans ... whether the Arab had been there for 50 minutes or
Doug Owyang and Dave Ponas
--Original Message--
From: Michael Bartolina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: t-and-f: Who was Jeff Laynes high school coach?
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Wayne asked:
>Have you noticed how our friend Jon always manages to expand his definition
>of
>a "hot spot" for marathoning to include what ever group happened to win the
>last major marathon? We didn't hear much about the genetic superiority of
>East
>Asians before Boston, just as we didn't h
Those are the numbers. That difference IS cultural. The interesting
>question is why.
>
>Tom Derderian
Could be because our culture has changed a lot in the past 50 years. The
computer and television has produced lazy people. 50 years ago a lot of
people in America still lived a relatively r
Boston 1981, Winning times were similar, But back in 50th place Matsuo of
Japan went 2:18:45. The last sub 2:20 was Gerry Deegan of Ireland in 64th.
The last sub 2:20 this year was Mark Coogan in 19th place. But in 1981 I
considered myself in bad shape and only participated in the race with a
2:2
Please explain some things to me.
When tracing ancestry, how far back do you go?
I assumed that if you go back far enough, you and I would have the same root in
this giant tree.No?
If I line up next to you for a race, do I give a flip about your past beyond your
PR?
John
Jon Entine wrote:
>
FROM THE CHICAGO SUN TIMES (Capel was 7th round draft pick of Chicago
Bears):
According to an Internet report, teams had red-flagged Capel due to a
positive drug test at the Indianapolis scouting combine. A Bears source said
the team was aware of the issue but "it's something that wouldn't make a
20 years ago Boston also had an Asian winner (but Seko was from Japan), his
winning time was within 10 seconds of Bong-Ju. The 2nd and 3rd place times
were very similar to 2001 (Virgin and Rodgers in mid-2:10's) ... the big
difference was that in 1981 the top-thirty depth was a LOT better. Mostl
<<< We have no chance of medalling in those events right now
because we get excited about Juniors (U20) running in the 3:42, 13:30-13:40
range when the real-deal Jrs are running 3:35/13:20 and faster on the
circuit. When our expecations of our JRs are to run sub 13:20 then maybe
we'll expect
You could go to Eldoret in the Rift Valley, through a net of five miles, and
turn up probably ten times the talent of that group. Sorry.
On 4/23/01 11:24 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's line up Shorter, Rodgers, Virgin, Meyer, Lindsay,
> Bjorkland, Durden, Wells, Bea
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Let's line up Shorter, Rodgers, Virgin, Meyer, Lindsay,
Bjorkland, Durden, Wells, Beardsley, et al - most of whom competed at the same time at
an elite level - at the starting line in Hopkington and the top ten would take a
decidedly American look even today. Throw in whatever pharmeceuticals ar
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On 4/23/01 9:46 AM, "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is interesting is that in both Boston and London an American or Brit
> was 6th. I do believe Cox would have been top 5 at Boston if it wasn't for
> the cramp in his side. What does Jon have to say about South African
> runners?
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Kebba,
Let me make sure I have this correct.
1) You are trying to promote a track meet in the U.S.
2) You know that U.S. people get excited about a certain class (those who make the
finals in major meets) of distance athletes.
3) There are members of that class of athletes entered in the
> Next weekend I'll have a major article coming out on "Why an American,
Brit
> or Aussie (Black or White) May Never Win another major marathon"
It's not that I disagree with Jon Entine's conclusions, but my question is
"so what?". What do we take away from this line of reasoning that will help
LS
As is is far to easy to overstate Kenyan supremacy, it is also very dangerous
statistics to think Kenyan dominance is over only because London (2:07/2:23),
Hamburg (2:07/2:26) and Boston (2:09/2:23 Ndebera) produced only one Kenyan
winner.
Rotterdam not only got two Kenyan winners (2:06/2:25),
I think too oftern expectations are born of history ... We (the US) have ALWAYS been on or near the top in sprinting ... So it is ASSUMED that we always will be ... The same has been true of the horizontal jumps and pole vault ... Therefore when the occasion/time period comes along when that is not
23 April 2001
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What is interesting is that in both Boston and London an American or Brit
was 6th. I do believe Cox would have been top 5 at Boston if it wasn't for
the cramp in his side. What does Jon have to say about South African
runners? Of course I haven't read your book Jon. I already know what it
basi
Jon Entine wrote:
> Obviously Alan didn't read my article or my book, for he misrepresents both.
>
> I wrote about the athletic hotspots that churn out great marathoners. For
> those unfamiliar with genetics, the highland regions of North Africa and the
> Rift Valley of East Africa share an evo
DGS wrote:
>An example is Webb. There is a lot of
discussion about his successes, and times, but there are also discussions
regarding if he >is running too much, too fast, too soon. It becomes
evident when we start to discuss sprinters or foreign distance runners.
>Junior sprinters are e
<<< We have no chance of medalling in those events right now
because we get excited about Juniors (U20) running in the 3:42, 13:30-13:40
range when the real-deal Jrs are running 3:35/13:20 and faster on the
circuit. When our expecations of our JRs are to run sub 13:20 then maybe
we'll expect o
Yes ... Many thanks to Charles and Fred for their efforts on behalf of this list ... Conway - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Return to the Real World When I saw his subject heading, I thought
While I do not agree with Kebba's elite requirements, I do think he makes a
very good point regarding expectations.
It is the old debate that goes around and around in here about distance
running in the US, but it remains true. The overall expectations of the US
distance running are low, and in
>there will STILL exist the need to "chase marks". Thus,
>it would be stupid for schools to attend relay carnivals at Penn and
>Drake when their athletes could run fast in individual meets set up to
>produce quick times.
but since there has always been a need to chase marks (even more so in the
Obviously Alan didn't read my article or my book, for he misrepresents both.
I wrote about the athletic hotspots that churn out great marathoners. For
those unfamiliar with genetics, the highland regions of North Africa and the
Rift Valley of East Africa share an evolutionary history. This is not
Scratch that KK comment before. I was looking at the 2000 results with his
name in it, not the 2001...oops.
Alan
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While SI publishes a story about Kenyan Marathon dominance and Jon Entine
tells us Kenyans dominate distance running alltogether, only 2 Kenyans
finish in the top 10 at London. The world is starting to catch up to the
Kenyans. Anyone notice that the London Marathon site listed Khalid
Khannouch
>From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Listproc: UORE_TF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>This message shows how out of touch you are. Weldon Johnson won the 10
>over
>Keith Kelly. Kelly won the NCAA XC Champs. Would you say Keith is an
>"eli
<<< The problem is that we don't (except Regina Jacobs) we don't have
anyone who
is "elite" to bring in. maybe suzy hamilton but she hasn't proven she can
make a final. When we have someone who can medal at 800m or above then we
can start caaling them elite.
--Kebba >>>
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