Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two years of college like some other kid named Mike? Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Is someone privy to his deals? Let's say he was paid the same as Kobe and Tiger then what say you? Some people seem to be strictly looking at the dollars. Take it off the table because we don't know. He thinks he has a good coach who won't screw it up like some people think is going to happen. He

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Shawn Devereaux
The major difference between Webb, Woods, and Bryant is that Woods was guaranteed millions in sponsorships the day he quit college whether he panned out or not. Same for Kobe, plus several million in signing bonuses from the Lakers. I'll take a guess and say that Webb's sponsorship is well below

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
Webb ain't Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant was one of 400 b-ball players earning 3 million a year. Webb won't be buying his momma a house with his 5 million dollar signing bonus. College isn't for everyone. Who on this list would really trade away the Harvard of the West for the Salisbury State of the

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Not running for the NCAA didn't hurt Wilson Kipketer, Hicham El-Gueruej, Haile Gebrelessie or Khalid Kahnnouchi. From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
Martin D. - Please explain to me (Mike P) how - in your opinion, and I presume not in any official capacity with GMU - was my comment offensive to GMU? My previous post: But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Fred Finke
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Actually I was not talking about money as everyone appears to be thinking. I was strictly referring to the fact that, although I would never recommend it to any HS athlete in any sport, we do not know the specifics of the entire move. Maybe, just maybe, he is doing

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Because you were implying that GMU would not be able to do as good a job above the shoulders. Maybe that is true. Is there any empirical evidence in whatever field he was in at UM and whatever he is in at GMU? Somebody must have the answer to that question given how many conclusions are being

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Elitnet
Yep!!! that's a fair projection in the running market. It's just a totally different market in comparison to b-ball or other huge revenue sports. In a message dated 6/21/2002 4:27:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Webb doesn't show significant improvement in the next year or two, it's over.

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I said - one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders - no where did I slam any educational institution! I was not implying anything about GMU. If he can get one more year of college running at GMU, fine. I think one more

t-and-f: Re: the walking situation is intolerable!

2002-06-21 Thread Ed Sears
Although many us of fail to appreciate the finer points walking, it has a long and honored tradition in TF. Walking events were common at both British and American track meets throughout the 19th century. Walking was as controversial in those days as it is today. Charles Westhall, a fine

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Kurt Bray
I worry about Webb going pro now not over any questions of money nor even educational opportunity - he's an adult now and can judge those things for himself. My concern is that he not harm his development by rushing to jump to a higher level of the sport when he has not yet mastered his

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I agree with you. And, I hope his decision takes him right to his goals. It is great that we are able to have this debate at all in the U.S. There are a lot of great young U.S. distance runners coming up. I think this issue will be revisited a few times over the next several years. I hope good

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Hayward102
I think Webb would have been better off to stay in college, but people are blowing this decision way out of proportion. As far as I have heard he is still going to be getting an education and he will likely be running in some of the same meets he would have at Michigan. It really boils down

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and disappointed) he gets: a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds of numbers around. First off, what

t-and-f: ONE MILLION DOLLARS

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) One million dollar signing bonus? Who's paying? Dr Evil? Maybe you meant to say ONE BILLION DOLLAR signing bonus. malmo

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
And the people talking about money are arguing against themselves in any event. Old story: Man to beautiful woman in bar: Will you sleep with me for a million dollars? Beautiful woman: Of course. Man: Will you sleep with me for a dollar? Beautiful woman: Of course not. What do you think I am-some

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread JimRTimes
Although Webb's on a slightly higher level: Can you say Liz Mueller? Foot Locker champ went to several colleges, kept leaving because she didn't like the coaches, wound up someplace where the coach allowed her to pick her own races and set her own training schedule. She is now a boxer,

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
Nope. malmo thinks the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he becomes just another runner. malmo thinks that amount is all fantasy in the minds of some track fans. malmo malmo seems to think that if he

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
It could happen. Dave Sandridge former Van Cortlandt Park XC HS recorder holder once whupped Golden Gloves Champion (and future boxing legend) Sugar Ray Leonard's a$$ in a lockerroom brawl. Like Webb, college (Villanova) wasn't for Sandridge either. malmo Although Webb's on a slightly higher

t-and-f: Queens of the Relays

2002-06-21 Thread Ed Grant
Netters: Once again this year, Woodrow Wilson HS of Camden has turned in an outstanding all-around relay performance in New Jersey, placing no worse than 7th in the state performance lists in seven of the standard eight events and second in three of them. The performances, in

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since when can business people be counted on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a search and include dot-com and bubble in your search parameters. Draw your own conclusions. Business people will only pay what the market demands. Simple

t-and-f: USATF Release: Race walkers, sprinters highlight Day 1 of USA Juniors

2002-06-21 Thread USATF Communications
Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org 317-261-0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, June 21, 2002 Race walkers, Richards highlight Day 1 of USA Juniors PALO ALTO, CALIF. –

t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer

2002-06-21 Thread TrackCEO
Greetings, all The Associated Press reports that Lance Deal, who turned 40 last August, has won his ninth USATF national open title in the hammer: Lance Deal, who retired after the 2000 Sydney Olympics, returned to win his ninth national title in the hammer throw with a toss of 244-5. That

t-and-f: Karen Dennis canned at UNLV

2002-06-21 Thread TrackCEO
Y ask: The Associated Press reports out of Las Vegas: Karen Dennis, who headed the women's U.S. Olympic track and field team that won seven gold medals in Sydney, has been fired by UNLV. Athletic director John Robinson said in a statement Friday that Dennis' contract won't be renewed after

RE: t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
Let me guess, it won't be a Masters record unless he files the proper documentation with those authorities? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer

2002-06-21 Thread John Lunn
Who wound you up? I think that it's time for another out-n-back run for you. Take care, JL Let me guess, it won't be a Masters record unless he files the proper documentation with those authorities? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer

2002-06-21 Thread andrew mcdonagh
I think thw wr for over 40 is held by sildorenko from last year. 80.03 Vasiliy Sidorenko RUS 01 05 1961 3 Tula 14 07 2001 80m.It might not last. Two of the all-time best hammer throwers are still going strong, Igor Astapkovich BLR 4.1.63, so 40 in january and Tibor Gécsek HUN

t-and-f: USATF Release: Ross sets AR in javelin as field events dominate Day 1

2002-06-21 Thread USATF Communications
Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org 317-261-0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, June 21, 2002 Ross sets AR in javelin as field events dominate Day 1 PALO ALTO, Calif. – An