Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview

2003-02-07 Thread John Sun
I think a strong case can be made that by allowing this thing to fester could increase fan interest and therefore Nike's bottom line. But the purists wouldn't care and I can respect that position. It's the highest ground to get onto. And it's pretty lonely up there I imagine. Regards,

Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview

2003-02-07 Thread John Sun
You're right. Up until now MJ has been a media darling. She's articulate, attractive and possesses teflon-like abilities, coming out of the CJ Hunter fiasco in 2000 virtually unscathed. It will be interesting to see how she fares this time around. Judging from all the negative press so far, I'm

Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview

2003-02-06 Thread John Sun
Can anyone say Nike and labor practices? And I guess they are the moral authority in this little fiasco. Please. They have taken a few steps but it took them over 20 years to even start that. And now all is forgiven since they are now such model worldwide corporate citizens. But everybody

t-and-f: GUARDIAN UK ARTICLE: Jones to leave Francis for Nike's sake

2003-02-05 Thread John Sun
I'm surprised no one sent this around earlier. Got it from Letsrun.com. If this actually comes to pass then the only thing that matters in this whole messy situation is money. The moral is when Nike talks (and not USATF, IAAF, etc), Marion listens. Jones to leave Francis for Nike's sake Duncan

Re: t-and-f: That starting rule

2003-01-23 Thread John Sun
Curt Flood is not a good example. His suit was regarding free agency in baseball not the rules of playing the game. A better example might be Casey Martin, golf carts and the PGA Tour. Since Curt Flood. Since when did the details of rules governing how play a sport become a legitimate

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

2002-12-05 Thread John Sun
The mascot is the exclusive property of USATF and will be a part of efforts to brand USATF and the sport of track field. Maybe USATF figures no one watched the US basketball team's dismal performance at the World Basketball Championships and purchased the exclusive rights on the cheap. Very

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

2002-12-04 Thread John Sun
But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of an organization as important as WADA that he'd attack a guy he didn't really remember and didn't have ironclad facts about. That's the credibility issue that concerns me. Exactly. It's a bit disturbing that the head of USADA, which has

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread John Sun
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. It's a little-known subsection in the list charter that that

Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure

2002-06-27 Thread John Sun
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from other countries who live here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian athletes who now live in Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign athlete who has actually represent his particular country

t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash

2002-06-27 Thread John Sun
Why not 300 meters? Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden League meetings in Oslo on Friday. The two

Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure

2002-06-27 Thread John Sun
The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation that doesn't have rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition and in-competition testing programs. If they do that, they might have a little currency to deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is impossible to take

Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash

2002-06-27 Thread John Sun
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no way that he would do anything such as this that may hurt his Market Value. The talk is just a little spice for press. Barring injury, how does it hurt his Market Value? Even if he lost to Marion Jones, imagine all the hype and media exposure it

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and disappointed) he gets: a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds of numbers around. First off, what

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since when can business people be counted on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a search and include dot-com and bubble in your search parameters. Draw your own conclusions. Business people will only pay what the market demands. Simple

Re: t-and-f: Converters do it again

2002-05-26 Thread John Sun
It was a typo. His mark was 22.19m. --- Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By my calculator (I don't have a Big Green Book), 21.19m equals approximately 69-6 1/4. Anybody know what Toth's real mark was? Another example, if one was needed, of why marks should not be converted.

Re: t-and-f: F%*# Baseball!!!

2002-05-23 Thread John Sun
We had a fantastic meet at Portland and now it's only three days before Pre and there's been no discussion whatsoever! I'm surprised no one commented on ESPN's coverage of the Portland meet. I'm glad there was an opportunity to watch track on TV, but the coverage left me disappointed.

Re: t-and-f: Big 12 results?

2002-05-19 Thread John Sun
Not the most user-friendly site but here are the Big 12 results: http://mutigers.fansonly.com/ot/big12-outdoor-2002.html You have to pull the menus down for results for each event. --- Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know the Big 12 results yet? I hate to be too critical,

t-and-f: Kipketer Runs 8:05 ...Steeple!

2002-05-15 Thread John Sun
I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a double take when I saw the results for the 3000m Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever? 1 Kipketer Wilson DEN 8:05.98 2 Kosgei Reuben KEN 8:06.58 3 Kosgei John KEN 8:08.13

t-and-f: FALSE START? Kipketer Runs 8:05 ...Steeple!

2002-05-15 Thread John Sun
can clarify this. John --- John Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a double take when I saw the results for the 3000m Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever? 1 Kipketer Wilson DEN 8:05.98

t-and-f: Gatlin receives a two-year conditional suspension after testing positive for amphetamine

2002-05-14 Thread John Sun
This just crossed the wire. Only took 11 months to settle the whole matter, including arbitration. I thought the USADA charter called for a much tighter timeframe for settling these things. Track and field athlete suspended after failing drug test May 14, 2002 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP)

Re: t-and-f: url that has exact regional qualifying proposal

2002-05-09 Thread John Sun
--- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I believe a great deal of it has been determined: The four regional meets would be held the final weekend of May. In 2003 there are five weekends in May, so it would be the latest possible dates, May 30-31. The NCAA would be 2 weeks

Re: t-and-f: 5K stats goof

2002-05-06 Thread John Sun
Let's not forget the Arkansas duo of Cragg (13:22.07) and Lincoln (13:36.12). Their 26:58.19 is only 4+ secs off of the Torres/Ritz combo. If Cragg and Lincoln both run the 5k at NCs, we could have a repeat of the indoor 5K battle between Arkansas and CU. --- Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: t-and-f: Ritz's impressive 5050

2002-05-04 Thread John Sun
I noticed that too. He was either a step behind Torres or right next to him for at least the last half of the race. There were times I thought he would pass Torres but he never did. He doesn't have the strength or the finishing speed of Torres...yet. But when he does, watch out. Right now he's

t-and-f: Bucher out for at least six weeks

2002-05-02 Thread John Sun
Here's a post about track Athletics-Bucher out for at least six weeks with foot injury GENEVA (Reuters) - Swiss 800 metres world champion Andre Bucher has been sidelined for at least six weeks after fracturing his left foot during training. Bucher told Swissinfo.org that the injury

t-and-f: IAAF and U.S. body agree to arbitration on dope cases

2002-04-16 Thread John Sun
Hopefully this never-ending saga will soon be resolved IAAF and U.S. body agree to arbitration on dope cases By John Mehaffey LONDON (Reuters) - The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) and USA Track Field have agreed to independent arbitration in an attempt to

Re: t-and-f: re: USATF XC Nats Scoring

2002-03-16 Thread John Sun
Then I am sure that this past week you have already marched down to your association USATF office and signed up to be a volunteer official, because you can do better than those scarce few at nationals have been able to do. What, you say 'not my job!' ? Well then stop yer whinin'. Put up or

RE: t-and-f: Nike, Cross Nationals, USATF

2002-03-14 Thread John Sun
--- Paul Banta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Your facts are not correct. Nike was presented the women's team trophy at the completion of the USATF Winter Cross Country Championships last month in Vancouver, WA. Adidas was presented the men's trophy. I am not aware of any action by

Re: t-and-f: Nike, Cross Nationals, USATF

2002-03-14 Thread John Sun
I just don't buy this explanation from USATF. I understand that computer errors happen, but taking more than a month to resolve the problem is inexcusable. This was the US national championships not a high school county championships. Scoring XC is not rocket science. All you need is someone who

t-and-f: AP STORY: Tulane drops men's track programs

2002-03-14 Thread John Sun
Since this has been a big subject on this list recently Tulane drops men's track programs March 14, 2002 NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Tulane is dropping its men's indoor and outdoor track programs, citing problems with the university's gender-equity program. The announcement was made

t-and-f: IAAF announces year-round out-of-competition EPO tests

2002-03-14 Thread John Sun
Just saw this today. Does anyone know if USADA will be conducting these tests in the US for the IAAF and when they will start? Or will the IAAF do the tests themselves in the US? IAAF announces year-round out-of-competition EPO tests March 14, 2002 MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) -- The

Re: t-and-f: re: USATF Release

2002-02-24 Thread John Sun
I really wish there was a 6 month time limit on all appeals of this process. It would shut a lot of mouths on what goes on. Do the A B tests, if they both fail, you get 6 months from the day of the sample to present your case, no delays allowed for any reason. Present your case, if

t-and-f: Penn State Pole Vaulter Dies at Big Ten Championships

2002-02-23 Thread John Sun
[February 23, 2002] Kevin Dare, a member of the Penn State men's track and field team, died today while competing at the Big Ten Men's Indoor Track and Field Championships in Minneapolis, Minn. A sophomore from State College, Dare, 19, fell during a pole vault attempt and hit his head on the

t-and-f: Nice Colorado Double

2002-02-23 Thread John Sun
Coming off their impressive performances at the USA Cross Country Nationals, Colorado's Jorge Torres and Dathan Ritzenhein traded wins in the 5K and 3K at the Big 12 Championships at Nebraska: 5000 Meter Run (Feb 22) 1. Jorge Torres, 13:51.32 2. Dathan Ritzenhein, 13:52.41 3,000 Metter Run

Re: t-and-f: Now if more people had balls like these, esp in MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc

2002-02-22 Thread John Sun
and rightfully so because the B test was thrown out. Food for thought... John Sun --- Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yegorova not 'family friendly' enough for French event Agence France-Presse LIEVEN, France (February 21, 2002 02:12 PM EST) - The controversial Russian distance runner Olga

Re: t-and-f: Now if more people had balls like these, esp in MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc

2002-02-22 Thread John Sun
Where are you hearing this? It was the Brits who were burning Yeg at the stake- especially a certain Brit female who threatened to skip the Edmonton final over the presence of Yeg. Just look at the subject line to the original post. Due to the media , I think most people (including myself)

Re: t-and-f: Now if more people had balls like these, esp in MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc

2002-02-22 Thread John Sun
--- Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slightly off topic (which may well be a good thing), but anyone else find the Korean speed skating delegation's argument amusing? You know, the one about their skater getting disqualified for a rules infraction and how the winner should be decided

Re: t-and-f: Checkered past?

2002-02-20 Thread John Sun
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's stories on the women's bobsled team(s) made reference to Gea Johnson as a former track athlete with a checkered past. Can anyone elucidate on that? Jim Gerweck Running Times It seems she was suspended from track field in 1994 for 4 years for

Re: t-and-f: Checkered past?

2002-02-20 Thread John Sun
--- Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, Was her four-year suspension under the old rules? Did that get rescinded to two years? If it stayed at four years, why was USA Weightlifting even testing her? (strike one in 1994, strike two in 1997) If it was a four-year term, could

t-and-f: Best Year Ever?

2002-02-13 Thread John Sun
I'm staying away from the drug issue on this one :-) However, Masback's comments today in runnersworld.com intrigued me. He stated that: USATF just had its best year ever by many measures in the year after the Olympics. From an athlete performance perspective, I was a bit disappointed with the

RE: t-and-f: Reuters version of USATF-Rogge story

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
by the manufacturer and that the same supplement was used by sprinters Merlene Ottey and Linford Christie, both of whom were suspended after testing positive. Hello. That should have been a big enough red flag to stop using the supplement altogether. John Sun I agree that it is not feasible for athletes

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR Battle

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
their act together and starts educating the public on the whole testing process, Pound will continue to win the PR race. John Sun __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR/ Pound a Yank, King Dick!

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
I don't know what his motivation is, but your argument makes sense. Losing out to Rogge as IOC Chief and then being appointed Chairman of the WADA as consolation had to be a major step down. He's probably angling for something higher on the food chain and it doesn't hurt to beat up on the good

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR/ Pound a Yank, King Dick!

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
a fish as Pound (although having said that i also don't entirely believe he is entirely sincere from a purely intrinsic perspective) or as agressive. Bomba --- John Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what his motivation is, but your argument makes sense. Losing out to Rogge

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR Battle

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
their message across. John Sun __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR/ Pound a Yank, King Dick!

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
or indirectly connected in some way to the drug problem . John Sun __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

Re: t-and-f: USATF/USADA/IAAF/WADA/IOC

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
keyboards!! John Sun, please read my reply to you the Canadian expert on Runnersworld.com! I've tried to explain what is going on to you and others, but your not listening, or don't care to. IN ALL CAPS, SO YOU GUYS GET IT: USATF DOES NOT POLICE ANYONE ANYMORE. THE SYDNEY INCIDENT IS OLD

Re: t-and-f: Pound winning PR Battle

2002-02-12 Thread John Sun
Finally, it is still not clear to me whether USADA's policy on information release meets IAAF requirements. It is also not clear exactly what the IAAF considers USATF's role to be now that USADA is in charge of testing. It seems to me that USATF should be serving as an athletes'

t-and-f: re: USATF v. IAAF/IOC

2002-02-08 Thread John Sun
, USATF, USOC, IAAF and WADA. The sanction, if any, will then be made public by the USADA or USATF. To sum it up, the IAAF is kept in the loop once a double positive occurs, but only a sanction is made public after the athlete has a hearing. I hope this clarifies the process. John Sun