BYU Women's team is just sick. Repeat and still remain mostly underclassmen.
Alan
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I like this one:
When the great man learns the Way,
he follows it with diligence;
When the common man learns the Way,
he follows it on occasion;
When the mean man learns the Way,
he laughs out loud;
Those who do not laugh,
do not learn at all.
..and..
Knowing ignorance is strength.
Ignoring
I thought cycling tested hemacrit, not RBC? The two are different.
Alan
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If so, then that explains his sudden rise to the top. Quack, quack,
quack
Alan
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Simple GH, athletes who peak for that one race only to bomb at that one
race because of lack of previous races. Why does competitive track in this
country end with US nationals? Did we learn nothing from Bob Kennedy? Go
somewhere and get your ass kicked (overseas?) then come back learn and get
It's becoming obvious now that EPO is the doping drug of the past. It had
it's run, but now anyone even thinking of using it will be caught. Of course
there are still a multitude of other means of cheating that the smart
cheaters are using. As far as I know there still is no test for HgH. My
My own body tells me otherwise. Maybe it depends on the amount of exercise
soreness one has. When I'm running upwards of 120+ miles a week I find that
if I don't stretch at least after my run or for a good 30 minutes before bed
my legs don't recover as quickly. I also tend to wake up with a
Could be that the Chicago guys are putting in a high volume of miles so
running any race right now would prove to be futile. You'll see the same
with a lot of marathoners. Josh Cox and the Dr. Rosa's Kenyans don't race
much beyond a couple marathons and halfmarathons a year. If these guys
Add Cross-Country!
Alan
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There are both pros and cons to both running on concrete VS running on
asphalt. Concrete is harder, therefore giving you a greater chance of
injury, but is it really that much harder? A concrete sidewalk is usually
flat, whereas most asphalt roads are slightly crowned in the middle, meaning
But if the stripper is also a runner would that be all that bad? Ms Rios
needs to take her Playboy money and get her teeth fixed.
Alan
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the energy system usage for a
marathon is something to the tune of 99% aerobic/1% anaerobic. The 10k is
95% aerobic/5% anaerobic. The 5k is 90% aerobic/10% anaerobic. The 3k/2mile
is 80% aerobic/20% anaerobic. The mile is 60% aerobic/40% anaerobic.
Regular young guy here...
I'm 24. I'm someone offered me $100,000 a year, much less $250,000, JUST TO
RUN I'm hump that piggie for all it's worth. Who gives a flying fat ass
about college running. He won't earn 6 figures in college running. He can
still carry on his education while making fat
My guess is that smaller parks, juiced balls, more teams, weaker pitching,
etc is more to blame than roids since more than likely roids has been a part
of baseball for at least a good 10-20 years anyway. Since baseball doesn't
test and most professional sports don't test or test just for show
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
The quote really should read: Doctors ought to quit worrying about what
ballplayers, footballers, basketballers, cyclists, tracksters, gymnasts,
figure skaters, etc, etc, etc, are taking,. If there is money involved and
it's a sport chances
Agree. Entine's premise is that as a WHOLE, as a GROUP, East African's
dominate the distance races while West African's dominate the sprint races.
More to the point, that certain ethnic backgrounds dominate, as a GROUP,
certain sports. It's not a question of INDIVIDUAL performances, but of
Bad news for the cheaters is that this new form of EPO lasts longer in the
bloodstream so it's easier for testers to find it. Good news for the
chemotherapy and severe anemia patients though.
Alan
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Oxymoron?
Flowers Is No Fluke: Black Success In Bobsledding Part Of A Growing Winter
Sport Tradition
The first ever gold medal victory by a black in the Winter Olympics...
How about ski jumping? Being very thin and having a strong push off the ramp
are very important. Explosive muscles fibers
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This guy is the future, hell he's the freakin present. He's scary. He's the
pure distance runner. He has marathon written all over him. I'd like to see
him do as Culp is doing now, running a marathon when his 10k is strong...but
that's a few years away. It doesn't really matter how well he
Ah yes, the Par Lauf Relay. That would be great for TnF as runners attempt
to cross the midfield for the exchange. There is a 2x8x200 (2 people, each
run 8 alternating 200s) Par Lauf Relay held every year at an all-comers meet
in my hometown. It's a great experience as you jimmy across the
Hey, I just had an idea. Anyone remember the running scenes from Endurance?
They were spectacular. Copy that. Maybe people can watch 15-30 minutes of
straight race coverage if packaged right. Track needs a chase camera going
all the way around the track. Even better would be to somehow mic the
Just goes to show how deep the use of perf. enhancing drugs go. They have
been used in the game for more years than we wish to admit and are used
higher up the ladder than we wish to admit and are used by more top athletes
than we wish to admit, from bobsledding to archery to running to
This isn't just a 1500m problem. It's a problem with most of our distance
events...not being able to meet the standard. I agree with Malmo, raise the
bar, make them jump higher. While we are at it lower the Marathon Trials
standards to the Oly standards of 2:14/2:18. Do the same with the track
Wasn't it once held that 4:00 was the limit for the mile? The more things
change the more they stay the same. We won't ever know the limit in any
distance until we start doing what horse racing does and breed for speed.
Alan
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This isn't directed at anyone personally but if the top US runners weren't
such babies and actually ran worth a shit like they did 20-30 years ago we
wouldn't be having this discussion. They got the job done, we have not. They
ran the fast time before the trials, got that nonsense out of the
Speaky of Buddy Holly, er I mean Buddy Edelen...He ran 2:14ish how many
years ago? 40 yrs? We have how many guys under that now? 2? 3? 4? This whine
and moan attitude isn't part of the problem it IS the problem. If you make
it to the trials, whether you are a 2:22 or 2:12 runner your goal is
3 big PRs, one marathon, one 5k, one 10k, less than two months apart. Must
be the good drinking water.
Alan
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Not from a personal example but from what I've read/heard the main purpose
of the marathon taper is to make sure your legs are fresh for the race.
While training for a marathon you are usually putting in a high volume of
miles. These miles damage the muscles so you need time in order for the
I agree 100%. Sometimes my thoughts and words get mixed up on their way from
the keyboard to the screen. 140-150 does seem to be perfect with the
occasional stab at higher mileages. It also seems whenever we have a runner
who sustains 140-150 for any length of time they prosper (Lemay, Morris,
Of course not..:) Having the knowledge of what to do and actually doing it
are two different things. Having the knowledge and not doing it is a
cardinal sin. I'm burning as we speak. What then can we assume that Alan is
doing? As it stands right now around 100 miles a week with 20-30% at a
I used to play basketball for an hour or more after an hour run in high
school. Believe me, basketball is nothing in terms of conditioning.
Football? Does intramural flag football count? In terms of conditioning
football is cake. In football you do sprint for 4 seconds and walk/stand
around
Oops...mean NCAA All-Americans. I type faster than I think
Alan
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I would argue that he isn't even the greatest African distance runner of all
time. Henry Rono anyone? If Tergat had a better kick would we be saying he
is the greatest instead of Geb?
Alan
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Ouch! Wouldn't consistant running on this track produce some wonderful
injuries to the ankle? Gravity is a downward force. When you try to run at
an angle like on that contraption strange things will happen to your ankles.
I don't care what they say. That thing is just wack.
Alan
I wonder if Barry is on nadro? Or better yet, if the pitching wasn't so damn
diluted what would either Barry or Micky G have hit? My guess is that
niether would have topped 50. Ponder this:
There are now 30 MLB teams. A few years ago there were only 26. Say 15
pitchers per team, that's an
from
performance-enhancing drugs.
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I wonder if Barry is on nadro? Or better yet
We see what you are saying about commitment and training levels, etc. and
improvements in those things would help the US situation. But 150, 180 or
200 mpw isn't really what is gonna get this done
/Brian McEwen
100 is better than 70, 130 is better than 100, 160 is better than 130..
Number of factors:
1. Young runners wait to long to start the marathon mambo. Todd Williams
could have broke the US record6 years ago. Look at the marathon men of
the 70s/80s...lotta youngsters putting away the miles, not worried about
losing track speed. We have 3 or 4 sub 2:10 marathon
I wonder where 2:19:46 would have been 15-20 years ago? 100th?...maybe? Oh
how the mighty have fallen. If we had 100 runners running an average of
140-50 a week with flirtations with 200 how many sub 2:20s would we have?
Apparently the Japanese already have this answer. I also doubt they took
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Today's 5 year old's are too busy talking on their cell phones, listening to
their MP3's and playing the Sega Super Nintendo Dreamcast Playstations to
even ponder going out for a game of tag. Gone are the days of kids playing
tag, frozen catchers, or just a sandlot game of baseball. When I was
I'm calling BS on this one, must be a typo. Surely someone would have taken
off? Someone not sure about his kick would have taken off sometime during
the race.
Alan
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Because the injury rates are higher and the risk of never being able to
compete later is higher and because the succsess rate is so low. To be
clear for every one kid that is good at 15 there are thousands who lie in
a waste land of burnout and injury.
That is precisely the reason why Kenya
I can think of many young kids who run competitively in road races during
elementary and middle school age. Problem with most is that they lose
interest, they burnout so to speak.
Alan
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Never said it was bad. The reason why Kenya is so dominant is BECAUSE they
have thousands burn out. I'm all for young kids running hard at a young age,
but only if they want to. I know many young kids who join local running
clubs in their youth. If in order to have 10 medal-caliber runners we
Let's also note that altitude has a smaller affect on those born and raised
at high altitude and those whose recent ancestors were born and raised at
high altitude. Just look at the Kenyan Champs in Nairobi compared to the WC
in Edmonton. Still, HG will probably be in the 59-61 range very soon
A funny note: In this one annual meet in high school there was a 1500m
steeplechase, but the barriers consisted of hurdles and the water pit was a
gymnastics balance beam and a kiddie pool covered by a tarp and secured with
old tires on the infield. I would guess the hurdles were set at the
Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why
Kenyans tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are
actually probably 30 and not 25, 2. After so many years of top level
running, whether you start at 16 or 20 you tend to fizzle out. Check road
race
. Kennedy's time in office has changed everything if you
want to know the truth.
-Dan
That's a rather large statement for someone who was only in office for 2
years. Like most presidents he did a lot of talking, but these guys actually
did something:
Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S Truman,
Altitude physiology is not voodoo. I didn't make these rules. The great
Kung-Fu master did, so who am I to say Altitude Schmaltitude...
chapman
Apparently some people didn't listen to the great Kung-Fu master (yes this
is a repost):
Kenyan Champs-Nairobi 1700m alt:
1 Charles Kamathi
Apparently the low altitude of Edmonton hinders performance:
Kenyan Champs-Nairobi
10,000 METERS EL: 1700m
MEN
1 Charles Kamathi Police 27:47.33
2 John Korir AForces 27:49.34
3 Paul Kosgei Nairobi 27:51.87
Edmonton
One word:
Strides.
IIRC, Harald Norpoth, who was a deadly finisher, was coached by a guy
(forget his name) who advocated long, slow distance and very little
running at race pace or above.
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Alan Shank
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Lance is most certainly dirty. The whole sport of cycling is. Lance was
dirty before cancer and is dirty now. It's simply a part of the sport.
Africans, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Americans, no one is clean. From
things I've read and from things I've heard I believe most of the top
runners
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of the guys in the top 50 in the world are NOT on some kind of performance
enhancing
My previous remarks stands and is correct. Same routine...Entine posts
dribble, we respond, we respond some more, we get interested, we buy
Entine's book, Entine's pockets get fatter. As Malmo said, same ol shite.
Alan
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Book sales down again Jon?
Alan
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And then there is Geb and his either left or right arm that he carries lower
than the other. Then going way back you have Zatopek's intense facial
contorsions.
Alan
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How about Bill Rodgers' running form ... he was definitely not perfect
with his right arm flapping in front of his
The goal of such a race is to get from point A to point B. If Ritz can run
the distance at a faster pace than Webb then he will win. What Ritz should
probably do in such a race is to go out like a bat out of hell and drag Webb
along with him. Let's say both can run 8:35, which would be 4:17.5
Ah yes, but which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Are you a faster
runner because of better form or do you have better form because you are a
faster runner. Compare sprinting to distance running. When running fast your
body adapts and effeciency improves.
Alan
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Now that Webb is not going to Worlds I guess it pretty much takes away the
spotlight that track has had since he broke Ryun's record. In a perfect
world, he would have been top 3, got the A standard in Europe went to worlds
and competed. Hopefully the spotlight will still remain, but I'm
That's a big statement. Of course Tiger's dad probably thinks Tiger could
have beaten Ali in a boxing match and Tiger is bigger than MLK Jr. Tiger's
dad seems a bit off to me. I bet there's a whole skeleton army in that
family's closet.
Alan
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I'm sure there are a lot of fast sprinters in the NBA, NFL, NHL and
Baseball.
Alan
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I recently heard that
An omen?
6 Allan Kipchoge, South Plains College, Levelland, TX 32:45.44
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Interesting. How long have rabbits been used on a consistant basis? Any
guess what the record would be without rabbits? How about 5k? Would the 5k
record be under 12:50 without rabbits? How about the marathon? If the record
makers had to set the pace themselves what would the distance records
at
record pace, I would call that a rabbit if the finish or not.
Alan
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Of course
I think a lot of times what turns a great high school runner into an
afterthought is the change in coach in college. If I was a college coach and
Webb was coming to me I'd be asking Webb's high school coach for a little
help now and then, just so I don't screw things up. Find out what Webb has
Hmmm...can somebody say deja vu? After Jim Ryun came a swarm of American
distance running talent in the 70s and early 80s, especially in the marathon
and mostly from developmental sites such as Athletics West and GBTC. With
today's young American marathon crew and the recent start up of
I have always wondered where we draw the line on talent. You could argue
that Bill Rodgers who only ran in the 4:30, 9:36 range in high school
didn't have a whole lot of talent. You could also point to many others who
ran comparable high school times yet went on to win many elite races. You
Interesting Jon. I'll give you one thing, you sure do make people think and
bring up interesting conversations. You bring up something interesting. Just
how testable is talent/genetics? If a high school runner runs extremely well
off of limited training (Kennedy) one would assume that runner
Has nothing to do with finally seeing the light. Muscule fiber is just one
of those things, like height, that you can not change. You can train the
fibers to act more slow or fast twitch, but they are still what they are.
So in that sense, yes runners be it long distance or sprinters are born.
This is where I agree with genetics 100%. If you are born with an abundance
of fast twitch muscle fibers you will never become a very good distance
runner, although I could see this person become a good middle distance
runner (400-800). From what I've read you can train fast twitch fibers to
Could be the drug of choice in 50 years? Would there even be a way to
determine if someone has altered their genes? Would it even be banned? How
can you ban something that you have no way of testing for?
Alan
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Even I am growing tired of this...:) Doesn't matter how many examples we put
out it will always be responded to with the individuals VS group thing. Also
Jon, to say that one person out of a certain group of people will NEVER do
something is a pretty ignorant statement. Not saying that you are
Physiological studies show that one
needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds or
so.
So you need your Anaerobic energy for about 1:00 right? I would think that
in just about any race you would need to draw on your aerobic reserves at
some point in time. I would
...than 60 percent of all top distance
races, from the 800 meters to the marathon.
The 800m is not a distance race...repeat, the 800m is not a distance race.
Most if not all 800m runners can be/are great 400m runners. In the 800m you
see African Americans excel: Johnny Gray, South Americans
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RE: Economical reasons.
Would there be more american champions
if winning a major marathon by a US runner was worth $10, 20 million?
My first thought was if that happened I would live in a box and run 200
miles a week right now. Now, why don't I just go
H...I never thought of that. That's a very interesting point. The big
marathons pay big appearance fees to a fleet of Joe-Kenyans so a fleet of
Joe-Kenyans sweep the medal stand. Meanwhile an equally talented
Joe-American gets no appearance fee and fights just for a free entry into
the
Now now Jon lets not jump off a bridge here. Never tried to distort what you
have written. I do believe what you have written up to a point. Yes, overall
there will be more great runners from North/East Africa. I never said there
wouldn't. What I replied to was this statement: If you really
Scratch that KK comment before. I was looking at the 2000 results with his
name in it, not the 2001...oops.
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What is interesting is that in both Boston and London an American or Brit
was 6th. I do believe Cox would have been top 5 at Boston if it wasn't for
the cramp in his side. What does Jon have to say about South African
runners? Of course I haven't read your book Jon. I already know what it
Those are the numbers. That difference IS cultural. The interesting
question is why.
Tom Derderian
Could be because our culture has changed a lot in the past 50 years. The
computer and television has produced lazy people. 50 years ago a lot of
people in America still lived a relatively
Oh god, let's not drag this out into a 100 post discussion about the moral
values of America...because there are none. If a kid wanted to look at porn
all he has to do is wait till mommy and daddy are gone or in bed and get on
the internet...it's not difficult. Now, if the list moderator acted
Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
Well, then there would be no good way to test for genetic lung capacity
because after birth you will improve your lung capacity by your
Well, it's old news that Kenyans, mainly Kalenjin's, dominate distance
running today. Their evolution has made them superb distance runners. They
have lived at altitude for millions of years. They have lived a harder
existance than say the American silver platter life. I would like to make
It's not the fast time that makes us question these marks. It's the out of
nowhere appearance that makes us question these marks. Most of these Chinese
marks ('93, '97) were set at their Chinese Games by women who weren't big on
the world scene beforehand and then disappeared for the most part
Could be wrong, but I believe Weldon Johnson qualified for the marathon and
the 10k and ran both. He was also allowed into the 5k because of some
strange rule that says if you qualify in one event you can compete in an
adjacent event. I think it was him. Could be getting the name wrong.
Alan
It is much more
important to develop speed at a younger age because you can't reclaim it
when you're older.
Could someone delete this sentence from existance? Speed before endurance?
M...dunno bout that one..;) That must be why hoards of Africans are
running so well. You must develop a
Good lord, can we just let it be? Maybe every track in America is off by a
fraction of an inch? That would make all times fraudulent. Maybe they all
would have ran faster on today's synthetic tracks. It doesn't really matter.
They ran the race, they recorded times, it's a done deal.
Alan
Don't know the official height, but back in high school we had a meet every
year that had a "steeplechase". It was a 1500m steeplechase, hurdles were
set at the lowest level I think, and the water barrier was nothing more than
a balance beam, baby pool, tarp, and old tires set up a little ways
Agree. For the most part, after college, if you want to be successful in
distance running you'll have to basically become a bum or run really really
fast right out of college and pick up a sponsor. If you aren't fast enough
out of college you have to sacrifice a lot in order to become faster.
The bad thing about caffeine is that it dehydrates you, but I think if you
take enough water with the caffeine that you should be fine. The bad thing
with coke is the carbon-dioxide and acidity...defizzing the cola gets rid of
that to some extent, not sure about the acidity though.
Alan
I think that it's pretty obvious that water is good for you and coke is bad
for you when it comes to any sort of athletic performance. I drink my fair
share of carbonated drinks so I try to drink a little more water at night to
compensate for the dehydration. In my experience the caffeine in
Mmm...I think you just may have hit what just may be the plague of
American distance running...;) Sort of the whole "Why do one thing great
when you can do 2 or 3 things good?". Don't race, train. Train more, race
less. Some of the best marathoners in the world only run 2 or 3 races all
I often find it funny that a lot of XC races are run over flat, clipped
grass courses. Even worse is the multi-loop courses such as Worlds. I think
to qualify as an XC course you have to jump, scramble, or wade through
something. I can think of only 3 XC races in my life that were "true" XC
calf muscle.
You should stretch and strengthen your leg muscles, but you shouldn't overdo
it. Moderation is the name of the game.
Alan Tobin
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ort are eaten alive out at sea.
Instead of whining about "our kids having too many options" or "our kids not
growing up at altitude" or this or that we should make the best of what we
have. We should follow the example made by other sports.
Alan Tobin
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Don't they still do this in some races in Europe? Or is it Kenya? I dunno. I
have heard about races in Kenya that are like this. I think...:)
Alan
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Subject: t-and-f: Etiquette vs.
He's at Life College now. Dont know how he's running. I believe he just
transfered there last year, don't know from where.
Alan
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Subject: t-and-f: Where did the following high school milers go to college?
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Jesus H. Christ, about damn time they get out of the stone age. I guess if u
bitch long enough people will listen.
alan
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYC Marathon 2001 USA
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