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Yea, but MLB will have to start using a Chicago-style softball to keep the ball from being hit into orbit. Jorma Kurry wrote: The good news is, if the steroid usage keeps up, there may soon be no more juiced balls in MLB. - Original Message - Even after the first test - what is the punishment - TREATMENT? MLB is a joke and the constant work stoppages are just one problem. The balls may be juiced, but no more so than the players!
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules
And this was mainly Spring Training testing, pre-THG. What would the avg. number per team be if MLB retested for THG? Michael Bartolina wrote: 7% of 1438 athletes tested is 100 athletes! They had 100 positives and they were not trying to catch anyone! Imagine how many guys have used in the past and just happened to be clean for the test! I feel unable to use any other punctuation than 's 100 positives! 100 positives! 100 positives! That averages out to 3 or 4 positives per team.
t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules
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Wow! Baseball is really getting serious about drug use. Imagine, a one year suspension for only the fifth violation! This meaningless exercise in public deception should be exposed for the hypocrisy it is at every opportunity. Are you listing, Craig? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beginning next season, the first time a player tests positive he will receive treatment and education about the substance that was abused and be subject to further testing. A second positive will result in the player's being identified publicly and include a 15-day suspension or up to a $10,000 fine. The penalties escalate to a one-year suspension or up to a $100,000 fine for the fifth positive test. Suspensions will be without pay. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules
7% of 1438 athletes tested is 100 athletes! They had 100 positives and they were not trying to catch anyone! Imagine how many guys have used in the past and just happened to be clean for the test! I feel unable to use any other punctuation than 's It is not that I am surprised by their findings, it is just that I can't believe they would be so arrogant and foolish as to publish them! 100 positives! 100 positives! 100 positives! That averages out to 3 or 4 positives per team. For once I am not willing to let this kind of irresponsibility slide. Contact your local sports writer. Flood espn.com and si.com with emails. Embarrass MLB and NFL and NBA into submission. If Ralph Wiley has the balls to suggest that we should stay home from the Olympics, then he must stand up to other professional sports as well. This is one occasion where they have left themselves wide open and we must act to make a difference. I do not want to have the steroid debate with my 14 son when he comes home from baseball practice and says he wants to be just like Barry. Mike Bartolina Barto __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
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Who does the MLB testing? USADA? Not to suggest any great conspiracy, but history has certainly shown that the entity doing the testing can have an impact on the outcome. - Ed - Original Message - From: Michael Bartolina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules 7% of 1438 athletes tested is 100 athletes! They had 100 positives and they were not trying to catch anyone! Imagine how many guys have used in the past and just happened to be clean for the test! I feel unable to use any other punctuation than 's It is not that I am surprised by their findings, it is just that I can't believe they would be so arrogant and foolish as to publish them! 100 positives! 100 positives! 100 positives! That averages out to 3 or 4 positives per team. For once I am not willing to let this kind of irresponsibility slide. Contact your local sports writer. Flood espn.com and si.com with emails. Embarrass MLB and NFL and NBA into submission. If Ralph Wiley has the balls to suggest that we should stay home from the Olympics, then he must stand up to other professional sports as well. This is one occasion where they have left themselves wide open and we must act to make a difference. I do not want to have the steroid debate with my 14 son when he comes home from baseball practice and says he wants to be just like Barry. Mike Bartolina Barto __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
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Well, certainly the IAAF would argue that USATF's past methods for dealing with positive tests has resulted in a different outcome than we would have seen if the IAAF was doing the testing. Now perhaps the specific actions of the labs were not at issue, but if the MLB program is being administered by MLB rather than by a more independent entity, then that raises more questions about exactly how the tests were conducted - notification, specific procedures, etc. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules How has history shown that the entity doing the testing can have an impact on the outcome.? malmo From: edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/14 Fri AM 11:13:00 CST To: \Athletics\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules Who does the MLB testing? USADA? Not to suggest any great conspiracy, but history has certainly shown that the entity doing the testing can have an impact on the outcome. - Ed - Original Message - From: Michael Bartolina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules 7% of 1438 athletes tested is 100 athletes! They had 100 positives and they were not trying to catch anyone! Imagine how many guys have used in the past and just happened to be clean for the test! I feel unable to use any other punctuation than 's It is not that I am surprised by their findings, it is just that I can't believe they would be so arrogant and foolish as to publish them! 100 positives! 100 positives! 100 positives! That averages out to 3 or 4 positives per team. For once I am not willing to let this kind of irresponsibility slide. Contact your local sports writer. Flood espn.com and si.com with emails. Embarrass MLB and NFL and NBA into submission. If Ralph Wiley has the balls to suggest that we should stay home from the Olympics, then he must stand up to other professional sports as well. This is one occasion where they have left themselves wide open and we must act to make a difference. I do not want to have the steroid debate with my 14 son when he comes home from baseball practice and says he wants to be just like Barry. Mike Bartolina Barto __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
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The good news is, if the steroid usage keeps up, there may soon be no more juiced balls in MLB. - Original Message - Even after the first test - what is the punishment - TREATMENT? MLB is a joke and the constant work stoppages are just one problem. The balls may be juiced, but no more so than the players!
