Re: [Tagging] Tag:bicycle accident=true

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/17 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 17/08/2011 12:19, Sander Deryckere wrote: It has a bad discription, it's a tag for a temporary feature  (at least how I interpret it) and it didn't go via the voting process. So I would just delete it and point the writer to the voting process.

Re: [Tagging] Tag:bicycle accident=true

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/23 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: My point is that all these tags which are *now* established and widely in use, probably got that way without discussion and documentation *in advance* but were simply taken into use by the early contributors and documented afterwards. +1, I also

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I also found a related key formal documentation about taxon: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:taxon which deprecates species and replaces genus by taxon:genus. Again more inconsistencies in our documentation... +1, it would be nice if alternatives

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-08-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: should be usefully shown on a map. I don't know if we have a strict definition of building but I would go with something like a man-made structure with walls that is by default inaccessible to the average pedestrian. generally walls are not a

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/31 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The OP is about USS Slater in Albany NY Wikipedia says : The destroyer closes to the public from December to March and moves from the Snow Dock to the port's Rensselaer side ([1]). A ship moving 2 times a year and tagged as a building OK, I wouldn't

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/29 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building.

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: HMS Belfast should help: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.506278lon=-0.081219zoom=18 Take a scoot South-East for a totally over the top mapped/tagged building. It was the fault of the government IMHO building=ship tourism=museum

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: @Martin: historic=city_gate seems a good tag for city gates indeed, but the menin gate already has historic=monument, so I'll have to think about it. you could think about removing historic=monument, it doesn't seem appropriate for a gate IMHO.

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: A ship, even static, is not a building. That's tagging for the renderer. it depends which definition of building you are applying. Floating buildings might be legally considered buildings in some places. there is already 27 building=ship

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/29 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:58 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description for highway=unclassified is still valid: I love it when people are brave enough to question

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Then I can't honestly grasp what this interconnecting network is. Or rather, I think I understand what you mean, but you're not defining it - you're describing it with a vague term

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: It sounds like there are three types of street name: 1) Official, as decided by the Powers That Be 2) Signed, as displayed on the signs 3) Colloquial, as people habitually use So which one do we put in name=*, and what do we do with the others?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: There's been some recent discussion on the talk page, so please review at least the four sections starting here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/kerb#Height Open issues as I see it include: 1) Replacing lowered with ramp or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 1) lowered is not the same as ramp or dropped. See here: http://www.kohl-ratingen.de/images/kohl-markierung/z.299.jpg I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Does

[Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description for highway=unclassified is still valid: Unclassified roads typically form the lowest form of the interconnecting grid network. It was removed here (Tidying up the struck bits):

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: IMHO, it's a sentence that is both unclear and wrong. Interconnecting grid network has no significance: if it wasn't interconnecting it wouldn't be a network, and a grid network is just a specific case of a network but the unclassified applies

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Maybe I'm being picky. What I mean is: we have a worldwide graph of roads, or a network if we want to call it that. A grid network, to me, sounds like an orthogonal grid, like the one you'd

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - Yes, but on the other hand deleting the cited part changed the definition and made it more difficult

[Tagging] implicit maxspeeds

2011-07-26 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
there is currently some wikifiddling going on for implicit maxspeeds. on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed someone adds an alternative tagging method like this: * {{Tag|maxspeed||IT:urban}} and {{Tag|source:maxspeed||implicit}} * {{Tag|maxspeed||DE:rural}} and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:territory

2011-07-24 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/25 OSM user o...@fizik.spb.ru: Hello! Please, look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr:territory . I suppose to use this tag for addresses, which doesn't contain name of some street (for example, there are no street in some villages, there are addresses name

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditions for restriction relations

2011-07-23 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: http://wiki.osm.org/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_restriction_relations I like this proposal and I think it could be extended for weather/road conditions as well (fog, wet surface, etc.) cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-20 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/20 Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com: To keep things simple the convention is, where possible, to stick with british_english for tags. +1, BE is the general convention for tags in OSM. Wikipedia has a use for some people, but openstreetmap is not part of wikipedia.The

Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Idea's thoughts? I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png maybe you can find

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Passage+de+la+Boule+Blanchehl=frll=48.85134,2.37229spn=0.001273,0.001982sll=48.853082,2.370364sspn=0.002545,0.003964t=kz=19layer=ccbll=48.851346,2.37229panoid=M3k9nxcYnp2fn3fpfeP39Qcbp=12,33.63,,0,-2.44 The Passage de la

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris:

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: well, wikipedia also says that hyphens are sometimes used as diacritics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic ;-) [off-list] Well, I'd certainly like to see you try and convince people that the hyphen in drive-through is actually a

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail (probably could be subtagged). I didn't put this picture in myself and it is not showing what I had in mind

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: How about lane dividers?  This is an example below, though where I'm thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km or so - no lane changing allowed at that point.

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher g.null.dev...@gmail.com: I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful ways for the blind and

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/3 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: Maybe these are better examples of what I meant, though I have seen the others in use in the same role. http://www.zjeastsea.com/en/lane-divider.html http://www.roadstud.com.cn/road-studs/61.html I wouldn't call them bollards - bollard implies to me

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki in use is amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey There is many more of them. I propose to use service=drive-through to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores instead of

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a good reason to make a similar mistake today.  There's no good reason to replace hyphens with underscores. There are

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher g.null.dev...@gmail.com: I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about subtags

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: 81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints see below 331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
btw.: I adjusted the wiki page so that it reflects the original tag and the potlatch preset (JOSM has no preset for this) as well as the English spelling. btw2: The problem is present with drive-in as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I correct this? and what do you suggest to convert underscores to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using barrier=door from time to time when a private service street is closed by a door (not a gate) or a named path or footway, again when it is closed physically by a door

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Your point actually gives us a reason to use underscores instead of hyphens. If many people can't remember that two words are correctly hyphenated (without doing research that a hyphen was correct in the first place), why should we force correct

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely, service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes similar to service=parking_aisle: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html Based on

[Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Yes and no. It's true that we use underscores simply because we substitute spaces with underscores. But there's actually a precedent for substituting an underscore for a hyphen and this is the tag for specifying power sub-stations (created back

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: The rope barrier pictured is actually a crash fence commonly used as a cost saving measure on motorway medians in the US. thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/29 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: Well, technically if were mapping whats on the ground, a lot of restaurant signs say Drive thru.  The wiki has a redirect from drive_thru to drive_through, with 4 occurances of 'drive thru' on the page, but no explanation about why the tag uses the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips. Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/22 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I removed the yes and no values, because I couldn't see any utility, instead offering the unknown value. I don't think it is a good idea. In fact, the 'yes' value is widely used in OSM

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
what about introducing a kerb:height ? Implying heights from values like yes, raised, normal will probably not be very reliable or stable as this might vary from country to country and also in different cities/neighbourhoods. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/19 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: And in that case, only_left_turn or only_right_turn would seem applicable. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history No comment. you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions and not for recommendations. Why not use another tag? Their number is not limited...

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they're sitting in the same boat ;-) Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal kind. How else can you interpret: Description For describing the legal accessibility of an element. ? access=no could also mean that it is physically not accessible even though it might

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Alessio Zanol nar...@infinito.it: In data lunedì 6 giugno 2011 15:13:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: A last side note: someone mentioned recently on the German ML that sport=xy should not be used to describe any kinds of sports but only places where you actually can exercise

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/8 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 8 June 2011 10:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced members-only venue, this is true for many parts of the world I believe, and why I questioned the actual

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-08 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers of) people associated with that

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I have at least 2 problems with this definition: 1. It doesn't seem to be a British English term (at least not with this definition) 2. It seems to exclude the use

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Alessio Zanol nar...@infinito.it: Hello, this is my feature proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Club Please discuss here or even better in the discussion page on the wiki. I think that here is a better place to have discussions, that's why I reply here.

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for university students. in the case of a

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: why not just stick with building=residential then? actually in the case of a monastery I would prefer dormitory because it is a dedicated place for sleeping, not for living. There are other buildings for other aspects of residential in a

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: If you want to split that hair, sleeping_quarters would be a lot more clear in English than dormitorium.  From your earlier comment on quarters, it sounds like you might be confused by this term, but quarters can apply to a single structure or

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Vincent, thank you for your valueable feedback. 2011/6/1 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com: looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing some tags for monasteries. They are different things to be tagged : * the building, that can be tagged in building=monastery ou

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
A first draft for monasteries can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). Btw.: I found another argument against the use of a community-tag (against the tag name): there seem to be

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: A first draft for monasteries can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). OK, I arrived at a point where this should

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the walk along the water. Yes, but probably not on the ladder that gives you access to (or from) the water. I'd tag this on a node (the alternative would be to draw a way with 2 nodes, set

[Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I am currently preparing a proposal for monasteries and part of them is generally also a dormitory. By looking up the wiki I found this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Ddormitory which does limit the use to sleeping and living quarters for University students, provided by

Re: [Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-06-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/1 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: Why not include a weblink to the reason for the name? That could be a wikipedia-link to the page of the person the name comes from - or something else. The key could be eponym, but personally I don't see necessity for this. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Building life cycle

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/29 Mihkel Rämmel r...@hot.ee: If it is not right then please correct me. you can also have a look at start_date which would be inauguration or start of usage of the building. Would building=yes ruins=yes (3000 uses)  and  building=ruins (850 uses) mean the same?  Which one would be

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/27 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I propose the following new tag {{tag|tower:type|lighting}} as follows: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dtowerdiff=nextoldid=639593

[Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing some tags for monasteries. All I found is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonastery which suggests to tag former monasteries as historic=monastery and the monastery building as monastery=yes. If I see

Re: [Tagging] URL to view specific Relation version?

2011-05-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/20 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi There's a URL to view specific relation versions. Something like: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1318928/version/2 this is not a question for tagging. The answer is: http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/1318928/2 cheers,

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/18 j...@jfeldredge.com: In American usage, seafood covers all aquatic-origin food, whether from fresh water, estuaries, or the ocean. In the context of OSM I am more interested in the British usage. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-17 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: something like that should be handled in a seperate proposal, though i think most of your examples are covered with addr:housename. none of this is covered by addr:housename. addr:housename is for individual names (like Windsor Castle), not for descriptions.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/14 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: any other comments on that proposal? otherwise i'll start the voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr_keys_%282011-04%29 Yes. You are currently concentrating on the micro level, but there could be a suggestion for the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging split exit ramps

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
isn't this information a router could gain from the data simply by looking where the ramp leads to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: I agree.  I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' which may not be understood as widely. I recall this vivid discussion where in the end it was agreed on shop=seafood (with myself not beeing extremely happy about it, because

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: OK, but there's still the issue of a so-called flush median. I think in a rural area with few intersections this would be called a dual carriageway. I can't find an image, but Interstate 90 used to have one over Lookout Pass in Idaho. You can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: An emergency vehicle could also cross a grass median if there's no raised barrier. yes, and a person can jump over a 2ft wall and climb a 8ft wall. A series of bollards is no barrier to bicycles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i changed the main key to service_times, but i kept the subkey. otherwise it would be problematic in case someone want to tag the office hours separately. IMHO the key service_times refers to the feature, which is children daycare in this case. There is no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 j...@jfeldredge.com: Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes.  There are sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk.   Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider.  On one street here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: I personally like when OSM definitions are linked to other references, especially a well-known source like wikipedia. at least then link to a specific version of an article. From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+service: social service n.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the paving, no physical barrier) it's actually not

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they are part of the contact-proposal. I mentioned them to point out, that even if everyone followed this proposal and added contact: to some of the tags, this wouldn't improve overall consistency. contact

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: It's been about a month now, and I've gotten some feedback from the talk page. My thoughts are that we either: * reuse the existing place=suburb (as the wiki definition seems like it might work) * use the new place=neighbourhood yes, you can use suburb

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Of course there can also be parallel hierarchies, like police force areas and their districts and subdistricts, or postal systems with major towns, distribution points and individual postcodes (in the UK these frequently span national borders!).

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: There's a problem if this is treated like landuse. it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for landuse=highway. The highway landuse goes up to the edge of the right-of-way, and includes sidewalks and and clear zones,

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru: I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid? Well, it is an established convention to send an email to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular stating that one might cut off adjacent landuses at its border. But the two positions on landuse are that it shouldn't be cut or that it should be cut at the right-of-way line, not at the edge

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Actually there is a problem here: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/water#values water is already in wide use, but most of the values in use are not part of the proposal. Maybe some amendmend or changing of the key name (e.g. water:type seems to be what the proposal wants to achieve:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Flaimo wrote: In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central highway ways and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare#Voting I don't see why there should be service_hours:childcare. Can't we reuse service_times? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service_times cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 j...@jfeldredge.com: Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon boundaries.  Different people may consider the same location to be in different neighborhoods. then it's a

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: Can we begin discussion of this? A place_level that allows for unincorporated areas, neighborhoods, and the like. I am not sure that we need a place_level. Such a key would only make sense if there was a clear hierarchy. Place structures can be different

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-10 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/10 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: Further, i too consider the social facility tags to negative. Besides that, i couldn't see a social_facility=* value that would fit. the or=child part references to an target audience, which would correspond more to the age tag of my proposal and not the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/8 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: no further comments over the last 1 1/2 weeks, so i'll start the voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare sorry for writing late, I think there are some problems. E.g. age. if you tagged a feature with amenity=childcare

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/9 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I  notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools.  Don't know about other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange.  Maybe in that case a node is a better

[Tagging] RFC advertising

2011-05-07 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
There is a new draft how to tag advertising objects. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/advertising Are there any comments on this? What should be added/changed? According to tagwatch, some of the proposed values are already in use:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: I've completed the draft and would like to solicit your comments: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Car_access_tag The proposal introduces a new tag car=* that applies to just cars, and clarifies the meaning of the motorcar=* tag,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/6 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: If you introduce a new class you should define to which vehicles it applies. If you can't do it for all countries, do it for your country and let others do it for theirs. I think you will want to watch the tone you're using. (?)  Besides, I don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/6 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: Am 06.05.2011 um 12:29 schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Isn't motor_vehicle used for this? In my experience, the English term 'motor vehicle' does not include sub-motorcycle vehicles, such as motorized bicycles. For example, Florida statutes define... +1,

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 IMHO the tag is not very well chosen. Besides that I agree with John Smith

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