Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 9/27/2011 8:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: How? What's wrong with all of the sub-Manhattan entities being place=neighborhood? not sure if there is something wrong there, so you could (as local mapper) decide to do it like this. In other

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Martin, I'm not sure the NYC example is helping. You mentioned this was discussed on the German mailing list--can you give some other examples from Germany (or whereever) about how this might be used? Thanks, Brad On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Lanes tag, way forward

2011-09-28 Thread Pieren
2011/9/22 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: Sorry if I raise the discussion again but our documentation about lanes still doesn't clarify our position on how we count lanes (e.g. psv lanes) and turning lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes (3) Few days back there were, globally,

Re: [Tagging] Lanes tag, way forward

2011-09-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: Am I the only one who think that the turnlanes plugin is splendid but unworkable for average contributors, reserved to one editor (JOSM) and resulting data (relations) obscure/opaque/cryptic for humans ? No, you're certainly not the only person who thinks that! cheers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Josh Doe
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 9/27/2011 4:57 PM, Gérard wrote: Given that studies disagree about what makes a street safe for cyclists, any tagging would be based not on safety but on how

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/28/2011 12:08 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Width of outside lane (no tags for this AFAIK) Shoulder details (width, surface: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder) This only applies if you ride as far right as possible. It's safer to ride in the middle of the right lane, and causes little

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/2011 12:08 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Width of outside lane (no tags for this AFAIK) Shoulder details (width, surface: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder) This only applies if you ride as far right as possible. It's safer to ride in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: Unfortunately this is true. What's needed is to document the objective facts Then we can delete the keys smoothness , sac_scale, mtb:scale and tracktype. But, oh no, they seem to be widely used. Perhaps because they summarize in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Toby Murray
This discussion has happened before. I guess it will happen again. The argument that more hard-core riders can't judge the bicycle friendliness of a road is ridiculous. Any bicycle friendliness tags will obviously be targeted at average commuting cyclists. The fact that *I* ride along a road

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/28/2011 2:13 PM, Toby Murray wrote: But people who are intereseted in cycling can (and have) easily add a single tag and get some basic data into the system. I can accept this. But don't call it safety, since it's not. Call it something that makes it clear that it's about how comfortable

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/2011 2:13 PM, Toby Murray wrote: But people who are intereseted in cycling can (and have) easily add a single tag and get some basic data into the system. I can accept this. But don't call it safety, since it's not. Call it something

[Tagging] rest_area and service road

2011-09-28 Thread Pieren
What is our recommendation for tagging the access roads entering or leaving motorway service(s) areas ? Is is highway=service like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.808617lon=9.047404zoom=18layers=M Or highway=motorway_link like here:

Re: [Tagging] rest_area and service road

2011-09-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/28/2011 3:04 PM, Pieren wrote: What is our recommendation for tagging the access roads entering or leaving motorway service(s) areas ? No consensus. Keepright accepts either. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Toby Murray wrote: The argument that more hard-core riders can't judge the bicycle friendliness of a road is ridiculous. Any bicycle friendliness tags will obviously be targeted at average commuting cyclists. It might seem obvious to you, but something else seems obvious to me! And that's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: Then we can delete the keys smoothness , sac_scale, mtb:scale and tracktype. But, oh no, they seem to be widely used. YMMV. I've never seen the first three in the wild in the UK. tracktype was once popular but is largely being supplanted by objective use of the surface= tag. We

Re: [Tagging] rest_area and service road

2011-09-28 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, September 29, 2011 04:08, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 9/28/2011 3:04 PM, Pieren wrote: What is our recommendation for tagging the access roads entering or leaving motorway service(s) areas ? No consensus. Keepright accepts either. I generally use motorway_link because motorway

Re: [Tagging] rest_area and service road

2011-09-28 Thread James Mast
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:10:43 +0900 From: a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] rest_area and service road On Thu, September 29, 2011 04:08, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 9/28/2011 3:04 PM, Pieren wrote: What is our recommendation for tagging