Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Jo
You mean: we do it this way in Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, France, Italy, etc... I like your proposal. For the 'warm bakery shops, which also sell pastries and pies', which are the most common kind in Belgium, I'd use: name=Brood- en banketbakkerij Joske shop=bakery craft=bakery bread=yes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: But how would I indicate that it's a place which resells the bread baked elsewhere that same morning? Some successful bakers start an 'outlet' shop which looks just the same, but the bread needs to be transported there. The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Murry McEntire
Please continue the development of useful tags for continental Europe. Since the U.S. has no laws regarding the title a bakery can use, the tags may be used infrequently here. I believe the same is true of the other English-speaking countries. We have truth in advertising laws, but it's a step

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Murry McEntire
I understand resistance to regional use pages where the same tags are used differently based on location, but a necessary evil in some case, e.g. highway tagging. That avoiding the practice is the best case. However, is there any problem with regional property tags; that is, tags used in one

[Tagging] Bad tag: demolished=date: move to a) modify, b) strongly discourage

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Chadwick (lists)
I've just been reminded of the existence of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:demolished which nobody is using very much, and which nobody seems to be maintaining. I hope nobody will start using it, for it seems to me that this tag will generate bad data: i. If an object is demolished,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.comwrote: I wonder how one would know the mix of baked on site versus imported for shops that display both the same way, i.e., no commercial bakery wrappers? Does use of commercial frozen dough or mixes matter? How would a

Re: [Tagging] Bad tag: demolished=date: move to a) modify, b) strongly discourage

2013-06-27 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 27/06/2013 19:23, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: iii. We should not in general be mapping features which are no longer physically relevant. Demolished items by their very nature are not relevant, and are potentially not verifiable. OSM a map of the the world as it is in reality, verifiably

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
Having the same tags with different meanings in different locations will, of course, mean that renderers will have to check for rules that apply at the location being rendered, not just for rules that apply where the rendering machine is located. Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/27 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com In fact in Germany with a normal car licence before the year 200? it is 7.5t + 4.5t = 12t. actually applying some particular other exceptions it is almost 18t, 7.5t + 10t (special kind of trailer with 2 axes that count as one double because the

Re: [Tagging] Bad tag: demolished=date: move to a) modify, b) strongly discourage

2013-06-27 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl wrote: Disagree. There are reasons to keep objects in the DB after they have ceased to exist. Objects deleted in OSM are not deleted in the database. And like disused=yes, it is a mistake to believe that all data consumers will

Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag

2013-06-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I've re-read the discussion, and propose this approach: disused:oldkey = oldvalue For items that are gone and not coming back. Examples: locked gate, shop that has ceased business. disused = yes For items that are not presently in use, but could be renovated or fixed with great effort.