Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
On the other hand, a road labeled as "use at your own risk" may well be one that is not currently being maintained, meaning that you have increased odds of finding it impassable due to washouts, landslides, and the like. I have seen some one-lane tracks where any type of blockage would mean you

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt writes: > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" Don't use the access tag :-) That's about right of access, and that sort of sign is usually either: a real warning that it's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-07-31 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, It seems there hasn't been so many activity on substation refinement proposal for weeks. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement How about launching vote, at least on power=station deprecation for substations and inside stations stuff ? I've used the new mo

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive >> ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. >> Ranger stations have overlap with fire

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Johnson
That might not quite work...NFS ranger stations are, for all practical purposes, police stations and tourism information facilities. In BLM areas, they're almost exclusively police stations. In some states and most counties, they're purely tourism information. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, C

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Examples that I can think of would be roads you find around Mt. Hood indicating that police and rescue services are not available, the road is nearly or entirely impassable without specialized equipment, or an example in Portland where some routes are officially discouraged or encouraged for specif

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/7/31 Pieren > > Then, try one of the hiking/hazard tags ? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sac_scale > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=hazard#values > Hazard tag sounds the best to me http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard Janko

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The signs I am referring to, are in Italy (South Tyrol) on narrow paths that > allow you to walk around the ruins of two medieval castles. The paths are > unprotected, like alpine paths (where I have never seen any sign of that > kind). The

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-31 15:46, Volker Schmidt wrote : I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at your own risk" ? Volker Maybe by saying what the risk is? Ch

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Open - toilets, toilets:disposal, pitlatrine

2013-07-31 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Open for voting is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets Which includes toilets:position and toilets:disposal, to allow tagging of squat facilities and pitlatrines. Are you "voting" by amending people's tagging without survey? I'm loo

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Tod Fitch
And it would apply to US Forest Service ranger stations too. And even if USFS recreation personnel can write tickets for various parking, fire and hunting violations, I don't think they should be classified as police. FWIW, I believe that in California some beach life guards are sworn law enfor

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive > ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. > Ranger stations have overlap with fire stations and police stations, but > seem quite distinct. > Is

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, in that case, I am certain that noone will take liability for your actions anyway, be there a sign or not. The sign is only there to ease the load on the people who have to deny liability ;). If the site has a private operator, though, ask them. -nik -nik Volker Schmidt schrieb: >The

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > While there may be personnel at a ranger station that have law enforcement > authority, that will not always be the case, and in any event, law > enforcement is probably not the primary function of most ranger stations. > If every facility w

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
The signs I am referring to, are in Italy (South Tyrol) on narrow paths that allow you to walk around the ruins of two medieval castles. The paths are unprotected, like alpine paths (where I have never seen any sign of that kind). Volker On 31 July 2013 18:29, Dominik George wrote: > Hi, > > fl

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, fly is right here. When it comes to snow cleaning, owners of the houses along a road are liable in case of an accident if they didn't fulfill their duties. (At least in Germany - some British court of law ruled this to be God's will if I am not mistaken). However, I am not sure whether a s

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread fly
Am 31.07.2013 15:46, schrieb Volker Schmidt: > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" This is no access sign ! It is posted for insurance reason because this way does not cleaned (snow plowed eg.

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Henning Scholland
Hi, for me this isn't a question of access. What's the intention of "on your own risk"? If I'm walking on a footway next to a residential and I got hit by a passing car, it's also my own risk. I think it's a question of liability. So in your case maybe liability=no Take in mind that signs not

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, I assume there might be a difference between access=yes and access=permissive in this regard because it defines who might be liable if not you. I do not think this information should be tagged for reasons mentioned before, but on a side note, for roads with access=permissive and access=priv

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Colin Smale
In what way is this any different to any other road? Even on a government maintained road you accept a degree of own responsibility. What additional risks are we talking about here? Colin Volker Schmidt wrote: >I am sure this has been asked many times before: >How do I tag correctly a path/tra

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > I am sure this has been asked many times before: >>> How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at >>> your own risk" >>> ? >> >> Is there any text before that, like "guard dogs roaming free (-- access at your own risk)" ? Seriously though,

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Don't think that this is the correct tag. "permissive" means that there is access now, but it can be withdrawn at any time. On 31 July 2013 17:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > 2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > >> I am sure this has been asked many times before: >> How do I tag correctly a path/t

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" > ? permissive? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Car storage areas at ports?

2013-07-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think this could be tagged with amenity=parking, parking=surface, access=private, and than if you want, invent a new subtag to explain what type of a car park it is. Maybe parking:type=storage? I don't think the use of this place is much different from a car park. Janko 2013/7/31 Dave F. > Hi

[Tagging] Car storage areas at ports?

2013-07-31 Thread Dave F.
Hi I cycled passed Royal Portbury dock which a major car import port. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.48084&lon=-2.72515&zoom=16&layers=M If you view with Bing background you'll see there are large areas for storing these cars before distribution. Is there a better tag for these other th

[Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at your own risk" ? Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Thompson
While there may be personnel at a ranger station that have law enforcement authority, that will not always be the case, and in any event, law enforcement is probably not the primary function of most ranger stations. If every facility where law enforcement personnel were stationed were tagged "ameni

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, the question is: Is there duty one oft law enforcement? If so, the tag is correct IMHO. -nik Bryce Nesbitt schrieb: >At: >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_National_Park_Service_Tagging >We have ranger stations listed under "amenity=police". > >Rangers are indeed a type of police, bu

[Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
At: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_National_Park_Service_Tagging We have ranger stations listed under "amenity=police". Rangers are indeed a type of police, but one that often also counts squirrels or displays rocks. Should ranger stations get their own tag?