Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream. Was [Imports] [NUUG kart] kartverket imports to OpenStreetMap

2013-10-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/19 Tyrfing tyrfing...@gmail.com Using if an able person can jump it as the rule has some issues. +1, it also depends heavily on the surroundings (surface, steepness, solidity of the riverbank, ...) if you can effective jump over it, just a small width doesn't tell you anything if this

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream. Was [Imports] [NUUG kart] kartverket imports to OpenStreetMap

2013-10-19 Thread fly
On 19.10.2013 14:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/10/19 Tyrfing tyrfing...@gmail.com mailto:tyrfing...@gmail.com Using if an able person can jump it as the rule has some issues. +1, it also depends heavily on the surroundings (surface, steepness, solidity of the riverbank,

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
I think the whole issue should be split into two separate questions: The verifiability of the rule and the rule itself. As far as verifiability is concerned - it seems the question how far an able person can jump is not an issue here. As i said before i would interpret the rule from a

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/19 Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com It seems a river is something that has a source and a mouth (either where it joins the sea, lake or a larger river). So I would say that only streams that have been named River or The River ... should ever be tagged as a river, everything else

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Richard Mann
Ah, but in England we have some Streams that are bigger than Rivers. Stream is sometimes used when a river divides into a number of channels, and some Rivers retain that name even in their upper reaches when they are pretty small (and easily jumpable). So you can't always rely on the name. On

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-19 Thread Frank Little
As others have pointed out, bicycle=no may have also been used by mappers to exclude bicycles not just to exclude cycling; I'd say we can't know what people meant (though I imagine mostly it will have had the meaning of 'no cycling'). I looked to the wiki for clarity on usage, but the Bicycle

Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?

2013-10-19 Thread Frank Little
+1 to that. Just returned from a week's stay in a short-let apartment in Brussels, which was certainly completely different from the hotels, guest houses or bed breakfast places I could have stayed in (and I chose it specifically for that reason). This was a single apartment; I've often stayed

Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?

2013-10-19 Thread Frank Little
Presence or absence of a kitchen for the traveller does not define for me whether it is a guest house or not. I've stayed in places in Egypt and Pakistan which our company certainly called 'the guest house' which had kitchens. They did not have live-in owners or staff (but did have people to

[Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
Hi, I've had multiple difficulties described here https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9085 coding a simple opening-hours always except one period. OpeningHoursEdit bugs and not finding how to represent always after reading the whole lot several times. Normally, always is 24/7 but I suspect

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 22:13 +0200, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 19 October 2013, Jonathan wrote: It seems a river is something that has a source and a mouth (either where it joins the sea, lake or a larger river). So I would say that only streams that have been named River

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think the best solution for your problem is: 24/7;Fr 00:00-14:00,22:00-24:00 I wouldn't use off, I'm not sure a lot of data consumers consider it. Janko 2013/10/19 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Hi, I've had multiple difficulties described

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
If I understand the opening_hours wiki page correctly you're missing a semicolon and the correct input should be: opening_hours=24/7; Fr 14:00-22:00 off Does that work? Alternatively, omitting the 24/7 part would be correct as it's implied if the off range is not preceded by anything

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-10-19 22:37, Philip Barnes wrote : On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 22:13 +0200, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 19 October 2013, Jonathan wrote: It seems a river is something that has a source and a mouth (either where it joins the sea, lake or a larger river). So I would say that only

Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?

2013-10-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/19 Frank Little frank...@xs4all.nl I use hotels, apartments and an occassional BB a lot and in many different countries. The name people use for their accommodation is inconsistent at best. yes, that's why we are defining what the osm tags are about... cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/19 Frank Little frank...@xs4all.nl As others have pointed out, bicycle=no may have also been used by mappers to exclude bicycles not just to exclude cycling; I'd say we can't know what people meant (though I imagine mostly it will have had the meaning of 'no cycling'). shall we

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.

2013-10-19 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Thanks for your replies. On 2013-10-19 22:54, Janko Mihelić wrote : I think the best solution for your problem is: 24/7;Fr 00:00-14:00,22:00-24:00 I wouldn't use off, I'm not sure a lot of data consumers consider it. OK, I changed the diagram to accept 24/7 that way. But not using off