Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread David Bannon
On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 22:11 -0300, Fernando Trebien wrote: Do you all agree with these wiki edits? 1. Yes, almost. Not too happy with the term 'stiffness'. Maybe just remove the term 'stiffness' ? 2. Yes. 3. Yes. 4. Yes, I guess so ... However, while a good job Fernando, I still think we

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread David Bannon
Good on you Dave, I do like a good rant ! On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 10:47 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: Begin rantIMO tracktype should describe the physical characteristics of a track, not a highway, and it should have nothing to do with how well maintained it is. Great in an ideal world

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 04:47 schrieb Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: A track is a track (a rough road or trail, unpaved, mostly un-maintained) suitable for light use only, and is never a highway. actually in osm a track is a way for agricultural and forestry purposes (if fishing had

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
Martin - I realized that somewhere, I got confused about landuse=retail/residential/ etc and amenity=school I started thinking there was landuse=school landuse=hospital when there isn't. So my previous comments probably made no sense. I'm really sorry about that. You are exactly right

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Dave Swarthout
I knew I would be opening Pandora's box when I made those statements. As for tracks, I should have prefaced my remarks with *In My Opinion* — I am well aware that it's too late to change the current situation. I would still argue that smoothness is a valuable parameter. Ignoring speed limits and

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-16 23:11 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I'd like to clarify what I said before that landuse=civic_admin would be useful. It would be useful for tagging the only the compounds where government offices are located (townhall, courthouse, etc.). I am not suggesting that

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 11:51 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: So, now that I understand that the building type should be an amenity=, and the basic amenity tag can also show landuse, I will start to think about a few new amenity=tags for civic buildings. actually the building type goes

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 11:51 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: But for building complexes that include the townhall, would you still default to commerical? isn't there a need for a tag like landuse=institutional or something? well, commercial was suggested for areas with offices on them, out of

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Since OSM uses British English, what word would you pair with road, as in dirt road? Earthen road? Inquiring minds want to know. Either compacted earth road (more specific) or unsurfaced road (which I prefer); or green lane

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
But if the surface is rocky or stone, can it really be described as surface of gravel mixed with a varying amount of sand, silt, and clay (grade2) or even mixture of hard and soft materials (grade3) and so on? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
Two subjective opinions that agree create consensus, this is I believe what we seek in OSM when defining tags. Replacing 'stiffness' with something else is absolutely fine with me. I think the word we replace it with will essentially be the definition of tracktype. I'm sure I'm not the best person

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Replacing 'stiffness' with something else is absolutely fine with me. What about firmness? soundness? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
Firmness sounds good to me: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firmness I know that soundness means the same but has some additional meanings (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soundness), firmness is more specific. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: