Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread althio
And see also for repairs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dwatchmaker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread Andreas Goss
And see also for repairs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dwatchmaker Or this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dclockmaker -__- Still don't get the difference... __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88‎

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread althio
Hi Plural form shop=watches is (a bit) more used and documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwatches But not mentioned in Map Features or Key:shop. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread Severin Menard
HI, I did not find anything on the Map Features regarding shop selling watches, what is quite common both in Europe and South America (at least). Most of them arenot shop=watch does not have a high occurrence in Taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=watch#values Did I miss

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Doerr
On 25/01/2015 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I'd like to suggest a new key for patron saints. Certainly patron_saint=* or just patron=*. There are some occurrences in Taginfo, although most values of patron=* do not look like saints. holy_name=* has also been suggested, but this sounds to me

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. -- Steve I know nothing about who churches are dedicated to, but wouldn't Sacré Cœur

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Serge Wroclawski
It'll be interesting to see how the German community handles this as an excercise for other communities. I think that handling this in a local way is the right move. - Serge On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 16:20 +, Steve Doerr wrote: On 25/01/2015 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I'd like to suggest a new key for patron saints. Certainly patron_saint=* or just patron=*. There are some occurrences in Taginfo, although most values of patron=* do not look like saints.

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Doerr
On 25/01/2015 16:27, Tod Fitch wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. -- Steve I know nothing about who churches are

[Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). As in this example, the patron saint is often part of the common name of a

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Jo
But wat is local in the global context of OSM? It seems that, as far as Belgium is concerned, I'm the only one with an interest to keep using them. I do think they add some value, especially in a bilingual context like in Brussels. But if I'm the only one in the whole (small) country, who am I to

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: I think this can be a useful new tag. And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. – write the name of the dedication always in

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/01/2015 13:00, Andreas Goss a écrit : Fully borken or not. In my opinion a assiciatedstreet relation that does not include every element is broken. At that point all the advantages are gone. associatedStreet is not multypolygon ! A lack in the outer of a multipolygon is a gap and

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Johan C
2015-01-24 1:07 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Le 22/01/2015 22:49, Johan C a écrit : Good to have this discussion. From a computer expert point-of-view relations are fantastic for data integrity and to keep database size low. From an OSM point-of-view, which includes

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread johnw
On Jan 26, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: dedication +1 If we’re going to make something that goes with the religion tag, we might want to make it more universal. There are different shrines for different kinds of buddhas, Different various shinto gods, and

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25.01.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: but the patron saint is Maria Heimsuchung. Well, I don't know if a saint named Maria Heimsuchung really existed, but the church is dedicated to her, so it's a patron saint at least in an abstract sense. I am not sure if

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-26 01:39, Friedrich Volkmann wrote : On 25.01.2015 23:30, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul”

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-25 17:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote : Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). As in this example, the

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 25.01.2015 19:07, André Pirard wrote: I think that, when they have a name=* tag (when the mapper cared to find it, easy, they're all here (unités pastorales) http://liege.diocese.be/), almost all churches around here are tagged with the dedication. Looking at Liège in OSM, I see names like:

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Andreas Goss
Hi all - does anyone know what the geographic distribution of associatedStreet is like? taginfo doesn't render a map (it seems it doesn't do that for relations). I hear rumours it's mainly Germany but it'd be handy to know. Wambacher posted some maps in the Forum:

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread Warin
On 26/01/2015 12:44 PM, johnw wrote: Or does this go back to it should be shop:jewelry=watches or shop=jewelry + jewelry=watches problem? Javbw If so, then lets try to decide on a flat or categorized system that can handle new additions without a lot of hemming and hawing every time a new

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Andreas Goss
Your editor will probably hace displayed a warning at step 1. At the end of the operation, you've got a house missing it street, not a fully broken relation. Most don't. Right now JOSM is the only one I use that does. Especially most mobile editors don't... some just flat out don't even show

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Jo
Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of going back just replace it, because I did more stuff in that time and don't want to lose my work. If you care about preserving the history of that object, you could do the following in JOSM: Create new layer Download data

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 25.01.2015 11:46, Severin Menard wrote: I did not find anything on the Map Features regarding shop selling watches, what is quite common both in Europe and South America (at least). shop=jewelry Watches came out of use when people got mobile phones. The only remaining reason to wear watches

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/01/2015, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: My experience is that it is very hard to place every house in the right relation before you know the actual address. Especially with corner houses and in rural areas where the driveways to the farms do not always connect to the street with

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/01/2015, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Fully borken or not. In my opinion a assiciatedstreet relation that does not include every element is broken. At that point all the advantages are gone. To me breaking the relation would mean that all the addresses it contains are now

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=patron_saint%3Ait%3D*+globalR I swear, I would think that there were more of these. patron_saint:it seems to be a common suggestion for this purpose in Italian discussions about churches, I really thought we had more of them. Anyway, as you can see there are a few

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 25.01.2015 23:30, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. That's a good point. In German, there

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread Dave Swarthout
FYI: Shops selling watches can still be found in Thailand although most are probably sold in the watch department of the bigger department stores. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: On January 25, 2015 9:01:44 AM CST, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
On January 25, 2015 9:01:44 AM CST, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 25.01.2015 11:46, Severin Menard wrote: I did not find anything on the Map Features regarding shop selling watches, what is quite common both in Europe and South America (at least). shop=jewelry Watches came

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread johnw
If watch(es) is the best description for a store (as it may just be a watch retail sales shop - no repair or other jewelry) - then what is the problem for creating a shop=* tag for it? There will be a ton of shop=* tags eventually - especially as the world is filled with speciality shops that

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Lukas Sommer
I think this can be a useful new tag. And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. – write the name of the dedication always in the local language (Or always in latin? Could become very

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/01/2015 17:20, Steve Doerr a écrit : In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. I would prefer the dedication rather than a patron, for, as said above, the dedication may be a