Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: There are no categorizes in the OSM data, believing that will not be helpfull to you when you try to use OSM data. The current way of sometime using the key as an category isn't working that well. Or I might be wrong I

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-19 Thread johnw
On May 19, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com mailto:bry...@obviously.com: Note

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up options and ask you natural language

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
I also forgot to mention that Mapnik also shows all shops that do not have their own icon with a dot. You cannot do that when you drop the shop-'category' regards m. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Erik Johansson

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on it. I believe most people don't care about the top-level tags. They just use with iD (or a preset in JOSM for the somewhat more advanced users) give them. Don't find it there ? just put name or do not map it. They don't start to look in the wiki. Forget

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread pmailkeey .
On 19 May 2015 at 10:07, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on it. I believe most people don't care about the top-level tags. They just use with iD (or a preset in JOSM for the somewhat more advanced users) give them. Don't find it there ? just put

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
johnw wrote: As far as I can tell, the differences between novices like me and more power users is a) using JSOM or similar, and b) using relations. that is an insanely high bar to jump over. I'll let you into another secret. Of the 5% of mappers doing 95% of the work... most are not

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 We don't have access to non - editing accounts, speculating on the composition of them is just that. We do know that not all of the roughly 1.5 million are spammers, See my two recent diary posts for more, On 19. Mai 2015 04:55:30 MESZ, Bryce

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread pmailkeey .
On 19 May 2015 at 02:18, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people back. It’s the same thing

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
It might be a bridge to far, but for some it might be comforting to add new POIs and update existing ones without being able to break anything. E.g. I think I never touched a cycleway for during my first 2.5 years of mapping (mapping 4 years now). Only then I thought I knew enough about the

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19.05.2015 um 00:25 schrieb Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com: 1) people really prefer to use name instead of or together with ref—and I can well understand them, since ref is not displayed. what is displayed really shouldn't matter how to tag (I know, you know and we all know

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really part of the standard tool set

Re: [Tagging] amenity vs. shop *=ice_cream

2015-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19.05.2015 um 02:14 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: typically those would move around, so not mappable and would make a bad example picture. Not all of them do. yes, some are reoccurring at the same spot on a regular basis, I don't oppose mapping these, but I

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park A pet relief area is a toilet. Different feature. OK, from my ignorant perspective also dog parks

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 19/05/2015, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up options and ask you natural language

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-19 Thread Warin
On 19/05/2015 8:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com mailto:bry...@obviously.com: A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park A pet relief area is a

[Tagging] RFC Reception_desk Mk2

2015-05-19 Thread Warin
Hi, I have left this for a while. But I don't see it going anywhere in terms of the tag=value. The initial proposal started on 6 February 2015, has been voted on and reformatted to address issues raised. Link to the proposal =

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

2015-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
If I would get such a survey from any of the tens of webapps for which I created a account that I used once, the answer would be something like I wanted to know what this service is about, and so I added my house. But this is not something I to do during my spare time for a longer period. I

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/05/2015 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

2015-05-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 19.05.2015 14:25, SomeoneElse napisał(a): Also, it's worth mentioning that despite people sometimes describing OSM as unfriendly the vast majority of changeset discussion comments, especially to new users, are very friendly and happy to help. That's why I want to have some hard data:

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.05.2015 um 14:40 schrieb Daniel Koć: W dniu 19.05.2015 14:25, SomeoneElse napisał(a): Also, it's worth mentioning that despite people sometimes describing OSM as unfriendly the vast majority of changeset discussion comments, especially to new users, are very friendly and happy to

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

2015-05-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
True. Some tailors have pre-made garments, which they alter as needed to fit the customer, in addition to or instead of making garments from scratch. I would describe the facility that includes pre-made garments as shop=tailor, and the facility that makes all garments from raw cloth for each

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

2015-05-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 19.05.2015 16:48, Simon Poole napisał(a): There has been at least one study which gave indications why people stop contributing (main reason given was time). I don't think that we are This is really something we can't improve, sure. =} But even if it was as high as 75% (another wild