Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Jaakko Helleranta wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> shop=doityourself >> and shop=hardware are the same thing, with some notion of scale, >> > > So this is rather similar distinction as > shop=convenience > vs. > shop=supermarket > .

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

I believe that would generally be known as a "makerspace", though I'm not sure what the tag would be. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > >> Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself >> and shop

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > As you can see, these definitions are quite similar. Not surprisingly, > taggers have problems with these definitions too. Some examples > * Home Depot in the US is tagged home depot 1161 times as > shop=doityourself, but also 148 times

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > The Dutch shop Hubo, which might fit the Hardware definition better, > is tagged 23 times as shop=doityourself and only 4 times as > shop=hardware. The Hubo shop I know best (Reet, Belgium) sells fencing, flooring, garden furniture, et

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

@Matthijs, I like what you've done so far. I think using office=government and then following that additional tags to more closely define what sort of administration is done by that office is a good way to proceed. I would suggest a minor change to the definition you have above by including a ref

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

What if we were to define doityourself as a shop where one can purchase everything necessary to build a house, from tools and materials up to and including beams and sheathing, roofing, toilets, sinks, electrical cabinets, furnaces, etc.? We can ignore the fact that professional builders use Home D

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > shop=doityourself > and shop=hardware are the same thing, with some notion of scale, > So this is rather similar distinction as shop=convenience vs. shop=supermarket .. and perhaps even on top of that vs. shop=department_store as many departme

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> how do we tag "do it yourself"-shops where you can buy material (e.g. wood) >> and use their tools and space to build something? > > That's totally different. I know of only places to do painting/make >

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > >> Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself >> and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more >> precise? Reading the comments, I come to the conclusion that shop=doityours

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

On 2/8/16 8:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-02-09 0:20 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen >: > > What do you think, would it make sense to try to keep both shop=art > and tourism=gallery? > > > > I'm for keeping both, but would prefer a less ambiguous t

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-09 0:20 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > What do you think, would it make sense to try to keep both shop=art > and tourism=gallery? > I'm for keeping both, but would prefer a less ambiguous tag for the latter, e.g. amenity=contemporary_art_gallery Cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

Well if you fire up iD and start typing Home Depot, Lowes, Menards or Ace Hardware, they all end up with shop=doityourself. The doityourself tag has always seemed a little awkward to me for some reason. I feel like Home Depot makes a good chunk of their money on professional contractors who buy su

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself > and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more > precise? > how do we tag "do it yourself"-shops where you can buy material (e.g. wood) and use their tools and

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

It is a difficult choice, I agree. In my own tagging I use shop=hardware if tools and fasteners are the main items sold. A doityourself shop, like Home Depot, also sells these things but has a wide variety of building or construction materials that are the main items being sold. Judging which categ

[Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

Hi all, We currently have separate tags for shop=doityourself (37 857 instances) and shop=hardware (24 674 instances). The OSM wiki gives the following definitions: Do-it-yourself: | Do-It-Yourself-stores (DIY for short) are similar to hardware stores, except | they are generally larger and stoc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

On 27 January 2016 at 15:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: > 1. In many western civilizations you have a division of state powers in > an executive, a legislature, and a judiciary. I believe that you'd > normally only call the executive "government", although colloquially > people will say "the government

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

Continued here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-February/028479.html -- Matthijs On 1 February 2016 at 20:28, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, > suggesting either shop=art or tourism=museum as an altern

[Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

Hi all, This discussion continues the feature proposal 'Discourage tourism=gallery'. Most list members seem to agree that, in spite of what the wiki says, tourism=gallery should not be used for places like the MoMA in New York. However, it is still not clear to me whether we should distinguish s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 9 February 2016 at 00:02, Max wrote: > The Moma is a Museum. Please keep in mind that this is your personal definition - and perhaps the definition of the people in your field. But that's not necessarily the definition of the average English speaker. For example, Wikipedia calls the following

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Moma is a Museum. By the current definition of the OSM wiki it should be tagged tourism=gallery Because this is confusing I support the move to remove tourism=gallery entirely and make it museum. For actual (contemporary) art galleries we shoul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 3 February 2016 at 21:52, Max wrote: > So we are now at: > tourism=museum (nicer would be amenity, but for the sake of not changing > too much) > museum:topic= art / railway / history / war / mathematics / ... > art_form = painting / photography / sculpture / video / > art_genre = still_li

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 1 February 2016 at 22:50, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: >> > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum >> >> +1 >> ael >> > +2 > The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. > > Phil

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum I'm still a bit confused by this. Would you consider the MoMA a gallery and/or a museum? -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.ope

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Jewellery shop

Hi all, Voting for the proposal to replace shop=jewelry by shop=jewellery is now open. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop Thank you in advance for voting. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailin

Re: [Tagging] Is a reference a name if it is actually used as a name on the ground ?

Thanks Martin, Tijmen & Shawn - I'm now feeding those opinions to our French-language discussion... I'll report back on our conclusions. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging