Re: [Tagging] Solar farms

2016-03-27 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, François Lacombe > wrote: > > Indeed power=generator + generator:method=photovoltaic is definitely > what you need. A lot of solar panels I have tagged are private little installations (farmers convert a rice field to solar,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Warin
The precision/accuracy is not only limited by the instruments used but also the knowledge used. For some things OSM has access to very precise data. In other instances it is fuzzy. For some things .. the past entries has been much improved by new data from other sources (sometimes opening of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Dave Swarthout
This sort of object is common in Thailand. We have many gated communities here whose boundaries are not exactly known although they are sometimes fairly obvious in aerial imagery because of being surrounded by a wall or fence of some sort. I create a polygon using Bing imagery, tag it as

Re: [Tagging] tagging sport=shotput or sport=shot_put?

2016-03-27 Thread Warin
On 27/03/2016 10:24 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Warin wrote on 2016/03/27 12:09: Correct. But the wiki page for Athletics has no way of noting/adding/separating the various sports. And I think it too will fail due to anyway a mapper can see to map the individual sports. In fact the wiki page on

Re: [Tagging] setting proposals to abandoned

2016-03-27 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Shawn K. Quinn wrote on 2016/03/27 20:02: I can agree with setting this proposal as abandoned. However, we do need better tagging for childcare facilities and it is disappointing that the talk Monica Stephens gave back in 2012 has apparently fallen on deaf ears. I just watched that talk and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Clifford Snow
Fuzzy boundaries do have their place. Currently we use sharp boundaries for landuse, but often the boundary is really fuzzy. A wooded area would be a good example of a where a fuzzy boundary might be employed. But the fuzziness of a wooded area may only be a few meters. The fuzziness of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Colin Smale
If we can't mark polygons as fuzzy, then we can only allow 'accurate' polygons. Then we are back to square one, with no way of accommodating these regions except for a simple node. I think the problem is clear (how do we represent regions whose boundaries are not precisely defined). Time to talk

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Anders Fougner
Den 27. mars 2016 21.36.01 CEST, skrev Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >sent from a phone > >> Am 27.03.2016 um 21:16 schrieb Anders Fougner >: >> >> Did you already consider a fuzzy tag (such as fuzzy=yes or >boundary_fuzzy=yes)? > > >that's a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 27.03.2016 um 21:16 schrieb Anders Fougner : > > Did you already consider a fuzzy tag (such as fuzzy=yes or > boundary_fuzzy=yes)? that's a makeshift which isn't quite elegant and still has similar problems (things that seem to be in might

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 27.03.2016 um 20:50 schrieb Clifford Snow : > > I agree using polygons is far superior to nodes. The question I'm raising is > do these fuzzy areas belong in OSM. agreed, adding fuzzy areas in a way that suggests they are well delimited areas

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Anders Fougner
>I agree using polygons is far superior to nodes. The question I'm >raising >is do these fuzzy areas belong in OSM. Using my example for the >Cascadia >(Independence Area) a polygon with the boundary could be used to search >for >features in the OSM database. > >Clifford Did you already

Re: [Tagging] Recycling Containers with opening_hours or service_times

2016-03-27 Thread Thorsten Alge
On 2016-03-27 18:44, Éric Gillet wrote: > 2016-03-27 17:20 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Alge >: > > I was wondering about the tagging for recycling containers. In Germany > they have defined times in which it is allowed to use them to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > well, this didn't prevent 12% of mappers to add neighborhoods as areas > anyway: http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/place=neighbourhood > The discussion was around neighborhoods that did not have a clear boundary,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 27.03.2016 um 19:00 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > Areas with completely undefined borders should not be stored in OSM. who if not the crowd would be able to iteratively come to approximations of these borders. As long as the existence of the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 27.03.2016 um 18:50 schrieb Clifford Snow : > > A while back one of the conversations on the mailing list was about adding > neighborhood boundaries. There was a lot of concern that many neighborhood > boundaries are not clearly define which

Re: [Tagging] setting proposals to abandoned

2016-03-27 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sun, 2016-03-27 at 17:24 +0200, Richard wrote: > my 2c, avoid any automatisms. Some proposals need a lot of time to > ripe. > > Using talk page, contacting original author(s) would be highly > recommended. This proposal, in particular, is probably due for a revisit, especially given that it

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Georg Feddern
At all - what's the matter with the already said "highway=service" only if you can not distinguish the service or if it is a "bigger" service road? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] setting proposals to abandoned

2016-03-27 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sat, 2016-03-26 at 11:06 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > FWIW, the actual reason for this mail now is this edit, but I'm more > interested to learn about your general considerations: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/childcare2.0=next=1128997 I can agree

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:16:42 +0200 Anders Fougner wrote: > > > Den 27. mars 2016 19.00.18 CEST, skrev Mateusz Konieczny > : > >On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:50:21 -0700 > >Clifford Snow wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Anders Fougner
Den 27. mars 2016 19.00.18 CEST, skrev Mateusz Konieczny : >On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:50:21 -0700 >Clifford Snow wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> > > wrote: >> >> > I agree that a rough

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:50:21 -0700 Clifford Snow wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > > wrote: > > > I agree that a rough polygon seems better than a node because it > > allows to estimate the size (a new relation

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access (or other) for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:00:12 +0200 Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Mateusz Konieczny wrote on 2016/03/27 13:43: > >> As =main is occupied by railway mappers > > Is it even a problem for service=main to mean different thing on a > > railway and a road? > > Not a big problem if

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I agree that a rough polygon seems better than a node because it allows to > estimate the size (a new relation datatype would even be better, like a > collection of (existing/already mapped) things inside

Re: [Tagging] Recycling Containers with opening_hours or service_times

2016-03-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:20:21 +0200 Thorsten Alge wrote: > Since opening_hours suggests that the container is somehow closed > outside the designated hours of business Well, it is closed. In this case by formal means - I think that opening_hours fits properly.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 27.03.2016 um 11:47 schrieb Colin Smale : > > In the UK the word "country" is also used in that context, for example > "Shakespeare Country", "White Cliffs Country", "Black Country". > > I would suggest a relation with type=boundary and

Re: [Tagging] setting proposals to abandoned

2016-03-27 Thread Richard
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 11:06:34AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I wonder what others think about changing the status of proposals in draft > mode to abandoned in the wiki. Is this something we want everyone to do after > a certain time, or should this be reserved to the original

[Tagging] Recycling Containers with opening_hours or service_times

2016-03-27 Thread Thorsten Alge
Hi, I was wondering about the tagging for recycling containers. In Germany they have defined times in which it is allowed to use them to prevent noise pollution. Often the opening_hours-tag is used for that. Sometimes also service_times and in some cases collection_times which is for another

Re: [Tagging] Tagging parade_ground?

2016-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 26.03.2016 um 22:49 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > In OSM currently > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/121391269 Thank you, I understand now, I agree it could be seen as a kind of pitch (like you tagged it), not sure if "parading" could be considered

Re: [Tagging] Solar farms

2016-03-27 Thread Dave F
Ah, rubbish. Please ignore my previous post. Found what I was looking for: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:generator:method%3Dphotovoltaic#Solar_Park Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

[Tagging] Solar farms

2016-03-27 Thread Dave F
Hi What's the best tag for a field filled with solar panels? http://www.greenstatepower.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/solar-farm-2.jpg A search of taginfo for 'solar' returned only 42 for power:solar_panel which, given their size & increasing popularity, seems low. Are they being

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access (or other) for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Colin Smale wrote on 2016/03/27 13:29: Whatever service=* value is used, we should try to make sure it is related to the construction or topology of the road in some way, and not to the many purposes to which it may be put is the necessity of multiple values is to be avoided. A service road

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 13:08:12 +0200 Tom Pfeifer wrote: > As =main is occupied by railway mappers Is it even a problem for service=main to mean different thing on a railway and a road? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Colin Smale
Whatever service=* value is used, we should try to make sure it is related to the construction or topology of the road in some way, and not to the many purposes to which it may be put is the necessity of multiple values is to be avoided. A service road giving access to parking areas may also be

Re: [Tagging] tagging sport=shotput or sport=shot_put?

2016-03-27 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Warin wrote on 2016/03/27 12:09: Correct. But the wiki page for Athletics has no way of noting/adding/separating the various sports. And I think it too will fail due to anyway a mapper can see to map the individual sports. In fact the wiki page on athletics in sparse on information as to

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Greg Troxel wrote on 2016/03/27 00:56: What I do is [...] * highway=service service=driveway ways connecting to the real roads and sort of going near where you are trying to go when you want to park in the parking lot (carpark), just enough to be connected, and trying to pick

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 27 March 2016, David Marchal wrote: > Hello, there. > At least here, in France, there are numerous regions, whose unity is > based either on a common historical background, for example as a > medieval county or duchy like the Barrois, or on a uniform natural > landscape, as the Bauges

Re: [Tagging] tagging sport=shotput or sport=shot_put?

2016-03-27 Thread Warin
On 26/03/2016 12:58 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Warin wrote on 2016/03/25 23:07: On 25/03/2016 9:16 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Warin wrote on 2016/03/25 05:11: I thing I prefer the sport=shot_put as that reflects wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_put I prefer to tag all those as

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread Colin Smale
Good question. In the UK the word "country" is also used in that context, for example "Shakespeare Country", "White Cliffs Country", "Black Country". As to whether a node or a polygon should be used... Personally I would prefer an approximate polygon to a node. A node may indicate location,

[Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-27 Thread David Marchal
Hello, there. At least here, in France, there are numerous regions, whose unity is based either on a common historical background, for example as a medieval county or duchy like the Barrois, or on a uniform natural landscape, as the Bauges mountains or the Mont Blanc massif. These regions are