Re: [Tagging] Deprecating of leisure=common and leisure=village_green

2017-12-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Definition drift. > > This would see the colour 'purple' redefined as 'blue'. > > I am against it. > +1, I was probably the only opposing voice in the thread of the Dutch forum. My proposal to use a landcover tag was

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating of leisure=common and leisure=village_green

2017-12-07 Thread Warin
On 08-Dec-17 03:34 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: From: Tom Pfeifer > On 05.12.2017 20:40, Marc Zoutendijk wrote:> Martin, did you see the pictures I have added to the wiki? [1] Nice pictures, but they belong onto the discussion page, as it

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I think this is exactly the issue we had discussed previously: "the concept" vs "the ID" for that concept. When words are used as IDs, they always come with semantic meaning based on your cultural background. The words "college" and "sanatorium" mean different things. With an opaque ID (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Steve Doerr
On 07/12/2017 18:31, Marco Boeringa wrote: College, as Vao Matua also pointed out, usually refers to secondary school / high school age education Not in the UK, I'm afraid. It tends to refer to adult education of one form or another. Or else an alternative to school for 17-to-18-year-olds

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating of leisure=common and leisure=village_green

2017-12-07 Thread Selfish Seahorse
Hello On 7 December 2017 at 17:34, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > My view (and not mine only, read the discussion) is that a wiki should > describe how a tag _is_used_ and not how it should be used. Ideally, how tags *are* used and *should* be used should be the same. For our

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating of leisure=common and leisure=village_green

2017-12-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 07.12.2017 17:34, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: My view (and not mine only, read the discussion) is that a wiki should describe how a tag _is_used_ and not how it should be used. In principle, but not to the extreme to use it for something different. landuse=village_green was approved by voting as

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 8 December 2017 at 04:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: And, although I'm well aware that UK English is the standard for OSM > tagging, this tag will continue to cause confusion > Which is the problem we keep hitting that OSM tries to use one word worldwide, when it means

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Marco Boeringa wrote: > Yes, I agree "school" is a pretty loose term used from anything ranging from > kindergarten to primary to secondary school / high school / college. > > However, "college" and "university" aren't. College, as Vao

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Yes, I agree "school" is a pretty loose term used from anything ranging from kindergarten to primary to secondary school / high school / college. However, "college" and "university" aren't. College, as Vao Matua also pointed out, usually refers to secondary school / high school age education,

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating of leisure=common and leisure=village_green

2017-12-07 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
From: Tom Pfeifer > > On 05.12.2017 20:40, Marc Zoutendijk wrote:> Martin, did you see the pictures > I have added to the > wiki? [1] > Nice pictures, but they belong onto the discussion page, as it is _not_ an > 'alternative' use, it is

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-12-07 14:40 GMT+01:00 Marco Boeringa : > * school: tag mostly used for kindergarten or primary school: generally > only classrooms and no dedicated laboratory / science / workshop rooms with > electrity, water, gas and a range of technical equipment > "school" is

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Vao Matua
In Samoa the term "College" refers to a secondary school also known as a high school in other places. It seems that building=yes plus amenity=university for the area around the buildings would work for the college question. Can someone explain why there isn't a landuse=education tag, or

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-12-07 13:53 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > So what is the building type difference between building=school and > building=college when it consists of seminar/class rooms? > > yes, these seem to describe the same (maybe there are differences, according to the type of

[Tagging] iD news: v2.5.0, OpenStreetCam, and request for translation help..

2017-12-07 Thread Bryan Housel
Happy December! We have lots moving in the iD editor project.  OpenStreetCam Last month, I released iD v2.5.0 (November 10, 2017), which includes support for OpenStreetCam. If you haven’t tried it yet, you should really check out how easy it is to work with street level imagery in iD.

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Hi Tom, Good point you raise about the building topology, but I do think there are reasons to allow this: - As to your point of building topology, as I mostly interpret this: * school: tag mostly used for kindergarten or primary school: generally only classrooms and no dedicated laboratory

Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-07 Thread Fernando Trebien
How about using surveillance + surveillance:type instead? [1] Though it seems to be intended for wider spaces, like the whole bank or a whole station, plaza or parking lot. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surveillance On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Paul Johnson

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
The method just to copy the amenity value onto the building value dilutes the idea that the building tag should describe the building typology. An educational campus often consists both of purpose-built buildings, e.g. with a large lecture hall, as well as re-dedicated buildings such as a

[Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Hi, I noticed the tag "building=college" is missing from the main building key page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building). This tag is the equivalent of building=school/university as the accompanying key for tagging the actual buildings of an "amenity=college". It seems

Re: [Tagging] Proposed Features - RFC - Penstock waterways

2017-12-07 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, 2017-12-07 2:42 GMT+01:00 Andrew Davidson : > 1. waterway is the wrong key. Waterways are for open-channel features. > There is already a man_made=pipeline for pipe flow. I'm not sure why we > need a different tag for this. > Can you link me where waterway is explicitly

Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:22 PM, nwastra wrote: > > On 7 Dec 2017, at 10:07 am, Nelson A. de Oliveira > wrote: > > >> But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is > >> adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the