Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Thanks! Graeme On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 08:13, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Sorry Graeme, that should have said American style, where the waitress is > refilling mugs from a carafe > ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Sorry Graeme, that should have said American style, where the waitress is refilling mugs from a carafe Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 8 Jul 2020, at 23:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >  > > > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 19:22, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > I've got to say

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 19:22, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: I've got to say that personally, I don't think there's a need for a separate "speciality" tag, but regardless of that, I'd like to know what an > Independent, ‘Australian-style’, or artisan cafes >

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 16.31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: On 08/07/2020 12.34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: BTW, is your project including something that can be tested already? I was referring to "traffic simulation project" mentioned in

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Jul 8, 2020, 19:02 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: > On 08/07/2020 12.34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> BTW, is your project including something that can be tested already? >> > > I don't understand the question? > I was referring to "traffic simulation project" mentioned in

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging: > > > > 8 Jul 2020, 16:35 by elga...@agol.dk: > > Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Disclaimer: this is all US law. If you live in another country, YMMV. > > > Yes, facts are not copyrightable. > > In Europe we unfortunately have the Database

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 12.34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: 8 Jul 2020, 16:44 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: On 08/07/2020 10.36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:24, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (On which note... knowing that a residence is *also* a shop is potentially important!)

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

8 Jul 2020, 16:44 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: > On 08/07/2020 10.36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >>> On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:24, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> (On which note... knowing that a residence is *also* a shop is potentially >>> important!) >>> >> >> look for shop=* rather than building

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

8 Jul 2020, 16:35 by elga...@agol.dk: >> Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> Disclaimer: this is all US law. If you live in another country, YMMV. >> > > Yes, facts are not copyrightable. > > In Europe we unfortunately have the Database Directive > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_Directive > >

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 14:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > My questions are along the lines of "Is there any sort of coffee shop or > > cafe in this village?" rather than "Does it sell really expensive > coffee?" > > you might want to

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 15:40, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Moreover, it would be interesting to see a court weigh in on 2b vs. 2d, > and what exactly constitutes "use". If I look at *content* in Google > Maps, and then copy that *content* as permitted by 2b, am I "using" Maps > in a way that 2d

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sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:17, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Really? If Alice and Bob each own 50% of "Fairview Heights Apartments", you > would expect that there are legal property records indicating exactly which > half of said complex is owner by Alice and which half is owned

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 10.36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:24, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (On which note... knowing that a residence is *also* a shop is potentially important!) look for shop=* rather than building typologies... And... what, assume anything *not* a shop is a

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sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:59, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Neither Google nor anyone else can copyright facts by recording them in a > photograph. they do not base their restrictions on copyright law but on contract law (terms of service) Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 10.32, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 08/07/2020 10.21, Chris Hill wrote: Google's Terms of Use prevent us reusing their Streetview in OSM, see section 2d. "Apart from any license granted to you by Google, your use of the content may be acceptable under principles of 'fair use.'

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 10.32, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 08/07/2020 10.21, Chris Hill wrote: Google's Terms of Use prevent us reusing their Streetview in OSM, see section 2d. "Apart from any license granted to you by Google, your use of the content may be acceptable under principles of 'fair use.'

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:24, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > (On which note... knowing that a residence is *also* a shop is potentially > important!) look for shop=* rather than building typologies... Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Matthew Woehlke: > On 08/07/2020 09.57, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 07/07/2020 18.04, Paul Allen wrote: >>> Copyright prevents us using Google Streetview for mapping, but we can use >>> it for >>> illustrative purposes. >> >> Honestly, I would *strongly* question whether that is enforceable in

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 07/07/2020 19.21, Paul Allen wrote: If it was obviously built as a house I'd tag it as building=house because anything but building=no will render identically in many cartos anyway. On a somewhat unrelated note, I really, *really* want residences to be tagged as such. I'm working on a

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 08/07/2020 09.57, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 07/07/2020 18.04, Paul Allen wrote: Copyright prevents us using Google Streetview for mapping, but we can use it for illustrative purposes. Honestly, I would *strongly* question whether that is enforceable in the US (maybe it is in some

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

A reasonable simple tagging would be:amenity=café and cuisine=special_coffee So you would replace the tag coffee_house with speciality_coffee I hope that won't be too much of a nuisance as it still have the very common tag: café If it is a node with an abundance of tags, I suggest using

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 14:01, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Jake Edmonds via Tagging: > >> Maybe that’s true but if people are looking for it, it should be searchable? > > Then we need something objective. > Maybe coffee_species or coffee_brand > in the same way that we have breweries for

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 07/07/2020 18.04, Paul Allen wrote: Copyright prevents us using Google Streetview for mapping, but we can use it for illustrative purposes. Honestly, I would *strongly* question whether that is enforceable in the US (maybe it is in some overprotective European nations?). When I take a

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:43, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > In some sense, I could say that the question is whether the building is > *legally* multiple separate properties. For townhouses and row houses, the > answer is (typically) "yes". For apartments and condominiums, the

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On 07/07/2020 19.31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: these are technical details that might vary, don’t know about your jurisdiction and real estate market, but around here you do indeed own a fraction of the building exterior and gardens, typically the sum of all apartment surface areas is

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:04, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> >> €20 espressos in Venice should quality. But I am not so sure about the >> specialty. I see that I made a typo. I meant "should qualify". > > > it’s not as if a coffee in Venice

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > My questions are along the lines of "Is there any sort of coffee shop or > cafe in this village?" rather than "Does it sell really expensive coffee?" you might want to exclude those places from your search where a cup of

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sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:04, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > €20 espressos in Venice should quality. But I am not so sure about the > specialty. it’s not as if a coffee in Venice costs 20€ a cup, you will get good coffee for 1€ in any normal bar. It costs 20€ if you sit

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sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 14:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > We also do not have special tags for specialty wine or whiskey or bread. > For food we do have start but only stars that are awarded by recognised > tourism boards. we do have shop=deli while you’re right that

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:15, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: On 8 Jul 2020, at 13:08, Paul Allen wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > In short, how would we deal with verifiability requirement? >> > > Price, maybe. Specialty

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Jake Edmonds via Tagging: >> >> Price, maybe. Specialty coffee (or anything else) costs more.  However, >> blind tasting of wine has shown that perceived quality is strongly >> influenced by presentation (if it looks expensive, people think it >> tastes better). > > Maybe that’s true but if

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 12:58, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Jake Edmonds via Tagging: >> ‘Specialty coffee is a term for the highest grade of coffee available, > > > microbrewery beer is not necessarily special or better. It is made on the > premises. Of course, but it’s generally

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 13:08, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen > wrote: > Jake Edmonds via Tagging: > > ‘Specialty coffee is a term for the highest grade of coffee available, > > Specialty coffee is just about the quality and price

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Jake Edmonds via Tagging: > > ‘Specialty coffee is a term for the highest grade of coffee available, > > Specialty coffee is just about the quality and price which is very > subjective. > +1 > > In short, how would we deal with

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Jul 8, 2020, 11:24 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> If someone wants it is OK to map office/craft as an area inside house >> > > > yes of course, generally it is a superior method, but it may be

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Jul 8, 2020, 11:20 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > exceptional quality coffee, both farmed and brewed to a significantly higher > than average standard. > (...) > Are suggestions?  > Sounds like poorly defined marketing term or something that will quickly degrade into it, with Starbucks

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Jul 8, 2020, 13:45 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 10:29, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> >> as nobody has replied to this, I’m asking again: is a house really only a >> single dwelling building, or can there be a few more? >> > > There are

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

Jake Edmonds via Tagging: > ‘Specialty coffee is a term for the highest grade of coffee available, microbrewery beer is not necessarily special or better. It is made on the premises. Specialty coffee is just about the quality and price which is very subjective. We also do not have special

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 10:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > as nobody has replied to this, I’m asking again: is a house really only a > single dwelling building, or can there be a few more? > There are plenty of large houses, built for a single family (with servants) that have been split into

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:22, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Other tags: > microroasting=yes has 64 uses, mainly on amenity=cafe, in the same way > microbrewery=yes is used for pubs. there is also craft=coffee_roasting 1 occurrence, but seems suitable:

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:04, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > If it was obviously built as a house I'd tag it as building=house > +1 as nobody has replied to this, I’m asking again: is a house really only a single dwelling building, or can there be a few more?

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > If someone wants it is OK to map office/craft as an area inside house yes of course, generally it is a superior method, but it may be not worth the effort in most cases, compared to the current

[Tagging] Specialty Coffee

‘Specialty coffee is a term for the highest grade of coffee available, typically relating to the entire supply chain, using single origin or single estate coffee[1][2]. The term was first used in 1974 by Erna Knutsen in an issue of Tea & Coffee Trade Journal. Knutsen used specialty coffee to

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Jul 8, 2020, 01:21 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 00:08, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> traditionally, people worked and slept in the same space (the helpers), >> today these are typically shops and above dwelling/s. Are they „houses“, >>

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

Jul 8, 2020, 01:40 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 07:45, Paul Allen <> pla16...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Building for the house, node for the workplace.  Micromappers will be upset >> unless you place the workplace node precisely, of course, but you probably >>